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Over the weekend at a training conference an NCO giving a class on standards and discipline asked the group to stand up. He then asked for everyone to sit down whose back pockets were buttoned. I was not one of the NCO's who sat as I always keep my left rear pocket unbuttoned and tucked in as this is where my wallet is at. He then attributed this as a lack of discipline.
The new AR 670-1 specifically states in Chapter 3 a.(3) that, "Soldiers will keep uniforms buttoned, zipped, and snapped."
Now, obviously this is pretty broad as my ACU's were certainly zipped, and looked professional, but technically were not completely 'buttoned'.
Do you fellow NCO's agree that the failing to button even the rear pockets on the trousers actually demonstrates a lack of discipline? If so, do you then inspect all of your troops to ensure that they are complying with this standard? Are all their buttons in the fly area of the ACU buttoned for example? Are yours? When you wear your ASU's do you button the inside button on the trousers?
I'm not fielding this question to complain about being called out... but instead to see what your thoughts are on the discipline thing.
The new AR 670-1 specifically states in Chapter 3 a.(3) that, "Soldiers will keep uniforms buttoned, zipped, and snapped."
Now, obviously this is pretty broad as my ACU's were certainly zipped, and looked professional, but technically were not completely 'buttoned'.
Do you fellow NCO's agree that the failing to button even the rear pockets on the trousers actually demonstrates a lack of discipline? If so, do you then inspect all of your troops to ensure that they are complying with this standard? Are all their buttons in the fly area of the ACU buttoned for example? Are yours? When you wear your ASU's do you button the inside button on the trousers?
I'm not fielding this question to complain about being called out... but instead to see what your thoughts are on the discipline thing.
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I've been in the Army for 17 years and there is always an issue about pockets. If I can't utilize them and keep my wallet pocket unbuttoned then please get rid of the darn pockets.
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Sounds like my DSs at BCT and AIT. We did the same stand up/sit down training exercise. Mine happened to be buttoned at the time because I'm OCD on loose flaps on clothing--civilian or military--but, I first button mine when I get a new uniform, and they never get unbuttoned. I double-check after laundry, and put my wallet in my left shoulder pocket. (By the way, I'm also OCD about crooked velcro alignment!)
To your question, though. Do I think it's a lack of discipline? No, I wouldn't jump that far, but it would depend on a Soldier's rank. It could very well be lack of attention to detail (tells me something), or lack of training (tells me something else), or it could truly be lack of discipline. I'll likely figure out which by the Soldier's reaction when I question him/her about it.
Am I bothered by it, and do I go looking at backsides to determine how diligent a Soldier is? No, but when the Soldier bends over and pockets are all bent and crazy, the slackness in appearance is noticeable!
To your question, though. Do I think it's a lack of discipline? No, I wouldn't jump that far, but it would depend on a Soldier's rank. It could very well be lack of attention to detail (tells me something), or lack of training (tells me something else), or it could truly be lack of discipline. I'll likely figure out which by the Soldier's reaction when I question him/her about it.
Am I bothered by it, and do I go looking at backsides to determine how diligent a Soldier is? No, but when the Soldier bends over and pockets are all bent and crazy, the slackness in appearance is noticeable!
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This is what I got out of boot camp, it is simply to develop a sense of detail, which keeps everyone sharp and in tune with what's happening around them. Don't take it personal, everybody learns from other's failures, can't improve without it...
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Well, if push comes to shove, then yes, plain & simple it is a matter--however small--of ill-discipline. And one I practiced frequently.
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First thing we have regulations for almost everything we do in the military.. So if it says button it, why do it differently.. In my opinion, it always matters to make a good impression, especially if you in higher ranks (lead by example). So I always try to keep my buttons buttoned, zippers zippered and tucked in, pants in my boots, colar fixed, no loose strings on uniform, don't wear dirty uniform. Of course if you in the field or on dirty duty is one thing, but in everyday life I think you should look professional.
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What next dog tags cant be looped on the belt loop and placed in the back pocket?
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When I was a Specialist I was always corrected by my squad leader in Garrison to button my back pocket because it can be seen and looked at as unprofessional. After sometime when I deployed there's a different outlook when doing things and that also comes into different levels of professionalism while deployed. I guess it is METT-TC on this one. When circumstances permits.
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