Posted on Nov 23, 2020
Unit Circled No on AAA report for me to go to the Promotion Board without counseling me. Can they do this?
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So on 10 Nov my unit said that I won't be able to go to promotion board because they don't think I am ready. I asked if they were going to counsel me on why so I can fix the deficiency so I can go next month and they stated they don't have to do a formal counselling since i'm not in my primary zone. What should I do. Brought it to my 1SG attention and he didnt really seem to care. He has been on leave as well. Its crazy cuz most of the time you have to force people to go and I am willing to take on more responsibility and further my career.
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The commander only has to counsel you for non-recommendation if you are in the primary zone.
Regardless, if they don't feel that you are ready, they should tell you why, but it's usually something that takes longer than 30 days to fix.
I feel like there's more to this story.
According to your profile, you are a SPC with about 4 years 4 months in service, but you are wearing SGT rank in your profile pic...
Regardless, if they don't feel that you are ready, they should tell you why, but it's usually something that takes longer than 30 days to fix.
I feel like there's more to this story.
According to your profile, you are a SPC with about 4 years 4 months in service, but you are wearing SGT rank in your profile pic...
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
You will have 11 months TIG on 15 APR 2021. That makes you eligible for the May 2021 board.
Between now and May, (and for the rest of your career) demonstrate potential: take on responsibility, show initiative, get things done on time or early, don't wait to be told to do the right thing. And study up on AR 600-8-19, because that would have answered your question before asking it here.
Between now and May, (and for the rest of your career) demonstrate potential: take on responsibility, show initiative, get things done on time or early, don't wait to be told to do the right thing. And study up on AR 600-8-19, because that would have answered your question before asking it here.
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Your unit does not have to send you to the promotion board until you are in your primary Zone. You are eligible with a waiver to attend earlier. You simply were not given a waiver, your leadership does not have to counsel you on why they did not give you a waiver.
Now, if you enter your primary Zone and your leadership does not allow you to attend the promotion board, then you have a valid Inspector General complaint. Once you are in your primary Zone, your leadership must send you to the board, and does not have the option of Simply circling no
Now, if you enter your primary Zone and your leadership does not allow you to attend the promotion board, then you have a valid Inspector General complaint. Once you are in your primary Zone, your leadership must send you to the board, and does not have the option of Simply circling no
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Since you are not in your primary zone counseling isn't required by regulation. That doesn't mean you can't be counseled. Don't get wrapped around the axle on formal counseling, just talk to your PSG about it. If you feel that strongly about formal counseling then use the open door policy and talk to the commander, he has to sign the AAA. If that doesn't work you can call IG, but since counseling isn't required they wont do much because command isnt violating regs.
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Be honored you were considered, and keep up the work that earned it. You first line leader should be able to ferret out any shortcomings through COC. They always put an entry in SRB of Marine for any local Board, whether selected/promoted or not. It highlights your performance to future leaders.
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Ok, so six months ago you were deemed unsuitable to wear NCO stripes and now you are wondering if your commander “can” do something? At some point in the past someone thought you were worthy of wearing stripes. You had that privilege removed and now suddenly six months later you feel entitled to get them back?
You don’t seem to even have learned your lesson from having them taken away. Your actions were the reason they were taken away, nobody else did anything to you. You lost the trust in your patriotism, fidelity, valor, and demonstrated leadership potential that earned them. Am NCO would have already known that he didn’t need to be counseled for non selection for promotion when he is not in the primary zone.
You don’t seem to even have learned your lesson from having them taken away. Your actions were the reason they were taken away, nobody else did anything to you. You lost the trust in your patriotism, fidelity, valor, and demonstrated leadership potential that earned them. Am NCO would have already known that he didn’t need to be counseled for non selection for promotion when he is not in the primary zone.
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Just a short reply from someone that knows about UCMJ repercussions: Once you get spanked your COC can evaluate your performance much more strictly as for recovering your stripes. In my day many who lost just one stripe got told to hit the sidewalk and this was in Division. Depending upon how/why you were reduced it could be some time before your unit thinks its a good idea to make you an NCO again. Persistence and demonstration of how you learned from your mistakes go a long way.
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SGT (Join to see)
Thank you for the advice 1SG. I was reduced in May 2020 based on the perception of having an inappropriate relationship with someone in my unit.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
SGT (Join to see) - Did you receive UCMJ action and has the other individual been moved from the unit or were you removed from the unit? Usually when your are reduce they have more than a perception of fraternization to go on. Either way its best to separate the individuals so that it doesn't linger over you like a cloud. My best advice is to look at what happened and see if ANYONE could have felt their was an issue and then do your very best not to repeat those actions (PERCEPTIONS) . These days commands tend to hold perceptions in high regards when it comes to punishment and evaluation of lessons learned. Good luck in regaining your stripes, it can happen, I know.
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SGT (Join to see)
Roger 1SG, the other individual PCSed 3 months ago. I am still in the same unit. Me and the individual were studying for the Promotion Board/SOM at a private residency and my former spouse brought it to the COC attention and made it into something it wasn't. Individual was an E-4 and I was a 5. Unit decided to take her side and interpret photos incorrectly.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
SGT (Join to see) - SO then you will be better prepared for any future issues and be the SME for young troops around you. This may require you to just Soldier on be the best that you can be, see out additional responsibility and just prove to your COC that you learned from the past and you are ready to move on. Sometime it takes time and demonstrations of your commitment to leadership. We all screw up and I never ever trusted someone that didn't make a few mistakes going through the ranks, the key is not to make big ones.
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Here is my question to you. Build up to the question, first. You list yourself as a SPC here on RP, but your pic is you wearing SGT stripes. Did you get busted down from SGT or did you pick the wrong rank when creating your profile? Your answer will determine how I'll really answer.
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MSG (Join to see)
SGT (Join to see) then there is your answer. You got in trouble. Lost rank. Now, you have to redeem yourself in the eyes of your Command. Since you got dropped in May, your TIG clock starts all over. So, you need to be in your PZ before they HAVE to send you to the board. Until then, they don't have to do shit. You lost rank and face with your Command. Telling them that you're ready for more responsibility is one thing...but having been popped down a notch after having already been given more responsibility is a whole different picture. Don't tell them you're ready. SHOW them you're ready. Again, you're gonna have to wait until you hit PZ because waivers are not granted to those that received a demotion from an Article 15.
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