Posted on Feb 8, 2014
MAJ Joseph Parker
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The Iranian Navy has a "fleet" in route to US territorial waters right now (Atlantic side) in response to our warships operating in the Persian Gulf. Their fleet is going to "send us a message". 10 FEB UPDATE: TODAY THE IRAN GOVERNMENT RELEASED A VIDEO SIMULATION SHOWING THAT THEIR NAVAL SHIPS CAN RELEASE ARMED DRONES AGAINST TARGETS IN ISREAL AND THE US, AND SHOWING SIMULATED HITS ON PUBLIC AREAS. THE VIDEO, ALTHOUGH AMATEURISH BY OUR STANDARDS, WAS A VERY HAM-HANDED SIGNAL INDICATING THAT THE THREAT POSED BY IRANIAN WARSHIPS IN ROUTE TO US WATERS WAS NOT TO BE IGNORED.


http://americanmilitarynews.com/2014/02/threat-iran-broadcasts-simulated-bombing-us-aircraft-carrier/


Who handles the message? the Navy or the Coast Guard? The Iran Navy capabilities  in comparison to either the USN or USCG are laughable, but they do have submarines, they can interdict civilian traffic, they can infiltrate and land people and material, and they can electronically eavesdrop and interfere. Do we handle them the way we handle the Chinese and Russians?


Would like to hear from our Navy and Coasties on this one! 

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SSgt James Stanley
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My suggestion is to wait for them at the 200nm limit and if they enter our waters fire a warning shot across their bow. If they refuse to retreat board their ship(s) and encourage them to return to Iranian waters or their ship(s) would be disabled and left adrift in international waters. If they happen to launch any armed drones, since we don't know what kind of warheads their missiles have, They should be blown out of the air.
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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SSG Stanley: Nice and by the book!
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Why are we so scared or feel threatened by whatever these guys do? From my own understanding, the US is far more superior and powerful than these guys. I believe they the Iranians won't want to try anything silly within an inch of our territorial waters.
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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SFC Gates: You may be correct. See MAJ Jason M's post. Ignoring them is sometimes a viable political solution. However, I seriously doubt the intelligence community will be at rest.
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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MAJ Chris N.: This all goes back to the questions: what are they going to do and who will handle it? I've out a number of scenarios up on this thread. Here is one for you to consider:


One of the Iranian supply ship comes very close to the 200NM line and drops bundles over the side. A USCG ship monitors the activity and after the Iranian ship clears the area the USCG picks up a few of the bundles and they contain drugs, weapons, etc. Is it a setup? Are they making a drop to someone? Does the USCG interdict?

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Maj Chris Nelson
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Maj Parker, you bring up an interesting thought.  As a nation, I do not think that we are scared of Iran....wary yes...very wary.  The Iranian government is very willing to "stir the pot".  Trying for a set up? maybe.  Trying to link up with new "alies" such as drug cartel? maybe.  I would actually be more concerned if the bundles in your scenario was explosive, designed to damage/sink the first vessel that pulls them out of the water (knowing they were being monitored).  Drugs and weapons under survalence would just provide us more intel on their methods and plans.  They would try to use something like this as a "learning moment/teaching moment" to stay out of their business in open waters...
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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MAJ Chris N: The Iranians aren't coming for a Caribbean cruise. Like all military they'll have a mission. We need to put ourselves in their shoes and look at the possibilities. One thing is for sure, anything the Iranians do is NOT going to be friendly.  US forces need to be ready; no matter how small, dumb, bizarre, or hostile their acts may be.  
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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Last time I heard were not blockading them,if that's the case they have the right to travel the water ways.
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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<p>They have the right to travel within 200NM of the US coast.&nbsp;One millimeter closer, especially a combat ship, and the only rights they have left are burial at sea. However, if they perform any illegal or hostile act on the high seas anywhere in the world against any US flag bearing vessel, citizen, or interest, then the US has the right of self defense.</p><p><br></p><p>However, the question goes back to an incursion of US waters. Who is responsible for that defense? USCG or USN?</p>
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SSG Laureano Pabon
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They may have the right to travel but this is not travel their doing.

Its more to provoke us to action.

I don't think USCG can battle a ship alone, this calls for the USN.

I don't think they are sending 1 ship alone. Subs may be involved in this one. Iran knows they have Russian support so they might have plans in mind they don't want to talk about. Next they are capable or nuclear weapons and no one knows if the subs they may send alone may contain those weapons. Under these conditions Iran may feel gusty in sending a ship(s) close enough to my neighborhood.

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MAJ Joseph Parker
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SSG Pabon; Good analysis for an Army vet! We don't know what ships are in the "fleet" (where are the Navy people responding in this thread?), but when a ship operates globally, it needs resupply. There's a good chance the fleet is accompanied by tanker(s), tender(s), supply ship(s), and submarine(s). When the fleet gets here, it will have to operate out of a port, probably in Cuba or Venezuela. Then the mischief begins. It could get really ugly if these yahoos tie in with some drug gangs out of Mexico or some terrorist groups. There's about 50 ways these people could be real irritants.  
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SSG Laureano Pabon
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Sir I was looking at that. The message doesn't look good.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554900/Iranian-warships-sailing-US-borders-time-send-message.html



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MAJ Joseph Parker
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SSG Pabon; It remains to be seen if they make it all the way here, and then what they will do. They'll have to base out of Cuba or Venezuela if they get here. They can play in the water all they want outside 200NM. It's just what is going to happen and who is going to handle it.  
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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Hmm.Why would they risk sanction relief?
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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In diplomacy its called "reciprocity". Our Navy operates in their neighborhood, so they send their Navy to operate in our neighborhood to show they are equal.


In reality they are  doing it to embarrass the United States in the world community, maybe to provoke an incident, or worse. The question remains: who is going to handle this? Navy? Coast Guard?

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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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I take it as they are inserting Themselves on the World Stage.
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SGT Nathan Huff
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The bellow article shows how big of a joke the Iranian navy is. The video news concerning the propaganda they spew at there people is not the reality of the Iranian Navy. They are not a threat nor are they something to be worried about.


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MAJ Joseph Parker
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Thank you for this article, SGT Huff! Good research. A few observations:


1. Looks like it substantiates some of the NOB observations we have received from some of our RP contributors: 1 Avland class frigate (the Sabalan) and their largest supply ship, the 33,000 ton Kharg; make up the valiant Iranian fleet, bob-bob-bobbing along to our shores.


2. SGT Huff, rust buckets they may be; but never, ever, underestimate or dismiss a threat. The USS Cole had a hole blown in it by a motor boat. That shaggy guy on the motor bike coming near the check point in Helmand Province, you can blow him away, no problem, right? Wave him by. Beginning with the Trojan Horse, military history is replete with folks who let their guard down or who thought they were more powerful, and found out the hard way that it wasn't necessarily so.


3. I agree with you that in the big picture, sinking these ships amounts to a couple minutes effort by the USCG and a hefty fine from the EPA for polluting the ocean waters and failing to submit an environmental impact statement first.  However, our sniffers should be working this fleet over and, more importantly, we need to find out just what they are REALLY up to, if anything.


4. Oh, one more thing to consider about the "naval cadets". In 1962, Russia was bringing "tourists" into Cuba by ship. US intelligence noticed that the tourists were all male, and when they left the docks they marched in formation, and they all wore plaid shirts. The plaids were the same color, but slightly different. After a few weeks, the tourist "plaid code" was broken: the larger the plaid, the higher the rank, and the tourists were there to man the nuclear missiles.


5. Finally, as an intelligence guy, I have to disagree with you about the worrying on the Iranians. I could paint 25 scenarios involving these yahoos that are not only plausible, but would make your skin crawl, and none of them would involve direct combat between them and US Naval or CG forces. 

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SGT Nathan Huff
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I am quite sure they will be under heavy surveillance. But I do not see us interfering unless they do something. 

Yes they could get close and let people onto our shores to do terrorist activities like the Germans did in WW2. 

There are many other things that could possibly happen. In the end the best course is to observe and be at the ready, but do nothing until they do something. 

Our military should be at the ready, but for the civilian population the threat should not be made to look devastating and should over all be played down to amusing children playing in muddy water.

the reason for that is two fold.

1. Iran will be openly see no one truly takes those ships seriously. 
2. To prevent the public from miss reading the entire thing.

If Iran were to do something stupid, the report of our military response would show they still had nothing to worry about. 
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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You have formulated some great discussions here, SGT Huff. Thank you! Let's see if the "fleet" makes a successful transit. That in itself may be an epic comparable to the voyage of the Kon Tiki. In fact, the first we hear of the Sabalang and Kharg in the Gulf of Mexico may be on a National Geographic Special; as they show the Iranian sailors arriving in Havana next year, bearded and emaciated, like the Salvadorian fisherman who was recently found in the Marshall islands. 
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1SG Visual Information Operations Chief
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Sir,

The update sounds like Psychological operations than a threat.
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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SSG Jonathan C: All operations have a political (read: psychological) aspect. How do we counter? What do we do to negate it, if anything?
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Sir,

"We should speak softly and carry a big stick" The US has an advantage in the Atlantic because the military can deploy and resupply from Puerto Rico. Strategically speaking the US has the advantage. 
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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Well put, and concise, SSG!
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SFC Contracting Nco
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I read that one of the boats they are sending is one that our forces had an encounter with in 1988 and it is still in pretty rough shape like we left it.
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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Can you give us a citation, SSG?
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/11/sinking-feeling-iranian-navy-sends-message-with-us-bound-rust-buckets/?intcmp=latestnews
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MAJ Joseph Parker
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Thank you, SSG!
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SSG Laureano Pabon
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I thought I add this :



http://scgnews.com/the-real-reason-iran-announced-that-it-is-sending-warships-to-the-us-border

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MAJ Joseph Parker
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Thank you, SSG Pabon. This adds another perspective. Attention to RPers: This particular article is written by an entity/writer out of Canada who apparently is far enough left to think that even President Obama wants war with Iran; and the poor Iranians, who have never and will never want nuclear weapons, have been forced, yes FORCED, into sending their fleet to US waters because they have no alternative. There you have it.
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MSG John Duchesneau
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Why are you worried about this? They have few ships able to cross the ocean and we will have plenty of ships waiting for them when, and if, they get here. Stop reading and believing fake news.
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I would suggest we get a bunch of private boats together and go out and laugh at them and their impotence. The average civilian pleasure craft pier has more surface tonnage than the Iranian Navy.
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