Posted on Oct 12, 2015
VA spent $6.3 million on sculptures and fountains for their hospitals. Should they have?
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VA spent $6.3 million on sculptures and fountains for their hospitals. Should they have?
RP Members what do you think? Could this money have been put to better use for veterans or decrease backlogs with additional resources?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/10/09/the-va-spent-6-3-million-on-sculptures-and-fountains-for-their-hospitals-should-they-have/
There’s a $483,000 rock sculpture that’s layered into cubes outside the mental health center at the Department of Veterans Affairs hospital in Palo Alto, Calif., that’s meant to evoke “a sense of transformation, rebuilding and self-investigation,” according to designers. It’s part of a renovated $1.3 million courtyard.
There’s an art installation on the side of a parking garage that displays quotes by Abraham Lincoln and Eleanor Roosevelt in Morse code, at a cost of $285,000. It lights up.
RP Members what do you think? Could this money have been put to better use for veterans or decrease backlogs with additional resources?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/10/09/the-va-spent-6-3-million-on-sculptures-and-fountains-for-their-hospitals-should-they-have/
There’s a $483,000 rock sculpture that’s layered into cubes outside the mental health center at the Department of Veterans Affairs hospital in Palo Alto, Calif., that’s meant to evoke “a sense of transformation, rebuilding and self-investigation,” according to designers. It’s part of a renovated $1.3 million courtyard.
There’s an art installation on the side of a parking garage that displays quotes by Abraham Lincoln and Eleanor Roosevelt in Morse code, at a cost of $285,000. It lights up.
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 54
A lot of people want to discount the value of art, but have you ever been to an austere hospital? They're terrifying. Private hospitals spend MUCH more than that for just one building. Hell, the hospital I work at spent more than that by a long shot. Why? The mental and emotional side of things is extraordinarily important.
Hospitals are stressful. You don't go to them for fun. Art makes it less scary, more interesting and a more pleasant experience. Environment has a significant impact on healing and art is an important part of the human experience, even though some like to pretend it's a froo-froo waste of time and money.
Hospitals are stressful. You don't go to them for fun. Art makes it less scary, more interesting and a more pleasant experience. Environment has a significant impact on healing and art is an important part of the human experience, even though some like to pretend it's a froo-froo waste of time and money.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
Agreed. The art need not be original though, to be beautiful and helpful to the patient trudging the hallways. Costs could be cut by a huge factor (1/4th? 1/10th?) by requiring the artwork must be reproductions, not originals. Some of the most beautiful and effective (palliative) hallway art for me have been high quality outdoor photography blown up to mural sizes.
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MGySgt George W Iliffe Jr
If the money can't go to patients, I'd much prefer it to go to art instead of greedy administrators like those two woman who arranged their own transfers for financial gain.
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SMSgt David A Asbury
I had a surgery at my VA hospital. When I talked with my doctor about the need to spend the night, reply was"Hospitals are for sick people, they are full of germs and nasty things. I really did understand what he was saying. I could of stayed the night but I was happier at home. When friends comes to visit me, I take them around town and always by the VA Hospital to show where I have gotten all my care since 1993. I want my VA hospital to look good, it helps the people who go there as well as those who work there. So the need to spend a little to make it look nice is OK with me.
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PO3 Paul Lowrey
I'm a combat veteran of the Vietnam war serving with the Brown Water Navy 100% disabled. I live in Florida and am trusting the VA to take care of me. Without going into it I could care less about decorating the exterior but more interested in the care I get.
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I think it's lovely. I could sit there and wait six months for an appointment.
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SSgt (Join to see)
LMAO. I am sorry you have to wait, and praying that by the time I have to use the VA this problem is resolved. Glad you have a sense of humor about it.
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SrA Daniel Hunter
SSgt (Join to see) - Actually I haven't used the VA in years. Although when, or rather if I ever retire I may. I hope it improves as well. Humor is the cure to nearly everything.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs, the answer is NO. I'll bet there are many excellent veteran artists that would be glad to have their art displayed for the materials and transport costs alone.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
Yes, they can get beautiful pieces of art, and spend much less than they do today. Laziness and lack of initiative on the part of the person spending the money.
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Working for the VA it drives me up the wall seeing these things occur. I have seen where a skylight ($40K) was installed. However I found out that is took them several yrs to get the contracts etc to get it installed.
Here's an idea: display military paraphernalia in the hospitals. I'm talking about coin displays, flags (unit, etc), flight suits, etc.
Veterans would much rather see this than austere white walls.
Here's an idea: display military paraphernalia in the hospitals. I'm talking about coin displays, flags (unit, etc), flight suits, etc.
Veterans would much rather see this than austere white walls.
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IF the money was paid to veterans to create veteran art to support veterans, then I support this expenditure. If not, it was a huge waste of money.
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No that 6.3 million dollars could have been spent on quality care for Veterans or Veterans Benefits. Just a waste of money without any consequences for an object that will not improve enhance the quality of life for any Veteran. Somebody should be fired for approving 6.3 million dollars for a project of this nature.
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Maj Matt Hylton
It might not have been that easy since the color of money used for the art and construction is different than the color of money used for healthcare.
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Did the money actually come out of the VA Budget or did the money come in from a grant or something similar? The reason I ask this is, it would make a big difference in my mind if it was out of the VA budget. Often times, the media does not know where the money comes from. They just see that money was spent. For example, they had a solar project at our VA medical center. They got a lot of backlash about it from the media. HOWEVER, the money was a federal grant specifically for the solar project and never came out of VA budget.
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Maj Matt Hylton
Also, there are different colors of money out there. Maybe this was MILCON money in their budget, which has nothing to do with the healthcare costs in their budget. Most people don't realize, you can't just move stuff around in your budget, especially if it is different types of money.
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I just enjoy frivolous spending at the expense of the Veterans and Taxpayers.. It gives me the warm fuzzies. lol
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Of course they should have......even if they had the best world class care in the world folks would complain if the facilities looked like crap.......it's just in our nature as human beings. Having worked in many medical facilities I will tell you if that if the facility is nice and clean with pretty stuff around the patients are happier....even if their care is sub-par.....hell if you add free internet you'd probably cut complaints down by half again. The VA is in a no win situation right now no matter what they spend on money on everyone is going to tear them to pieces....but come on let's be real if you had to go get your exam in a double wide trailer you'd be complaining....we expect a certain level of care and with the level of care comes an expectation of modern facilities with all the trimmings......hell right after 9-11 the biggest complaint we had to deal with was "How come the Starbucks kiosk is closed".....yes it's a lot of money but we have it in our sights only because we are looking for something to shoot at not because it's a viable target.
PFC William Lomonte
I wouldn't mind getting care in a trailer as long as I got the care here we have fabulous hospitals a new one being built in Denver and I still can't get to hear that is greatly needed I have a pacemaker that needs to be replaced haven't been able to do it for at least 6 months now I guess I'm just going to have to go to a private doctor
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PFC William Lomonte - Private doctors may actually be the way to go in the future.....think how much money the VA could save if it did not have the overhead of infrastructure and only had to focus on paying for healthcare....good point...
Could and should are dangerous questions, not the least when speaking about the VA. IF I had to guess, these projects were approved in September. They found they had money left that year and HAD to spend it so they could ask for more money the next year. Just another example of a big problem.
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