Posted on Apr 18, 2014
CPT Brandon Christensen
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I am sure you have have read/heard about the article posted by NYT (New York Times) today about how we are linked to cults, hate groups, what have you. 

While talking to someone on the streets, family, interviewing for a job, basically any conversation with another human being, have any of you got the feeling they were thinking this about you or even blatantly came out and said it?

I am for one outraged that this society thinks this about us or that even NY Times would even publish this article. Glad the VA posted a great response about it.



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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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This is how (they) really feel.   They being the ones who...

1)  The culture of rape being pervasive

2)  The alleged cheating by Missile personnel.

3)  Toxic leaders

4)  Adultery

5)  Hate Speech against:

     a) President

     b) gays

     c) women

     d) other races

6)  Suicidal veterans

7)  homelessness

8)  SHARP


Articles about it is our time to pay up!!!


Wow!  And you know,  people acting if this is exclusive to the military and while a lot of this IS happening it is not unique to the services.


This smacks of an agenda and only a person who has their eyes shut cannot put 2 and 2 together.


All the struggles by returning veterans against the back drop of hate directed against us and then you begin to see how it was in 1973.

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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Spot On Larry! the Military is taken from society as a whole, No Better, No Worse. We try and hold ourselves to a Higher Standard but that is just a Goal. Thank You Larry!
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CPT Brandon Christensen
CPT Brandon Christensen
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you are right. it's not exclusive to the military. Never thought about it in that way
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That is because it is a form of discrimination. That is why Veterans are "protected" from discrimination by law in employment practices (quotations due to the fact that I have seen the law circumvented by anti-war individuals).

Look at ANY group, religion, orientation and I assert that similar statistics with variable stats/topics will surface. They targeted us, plain and simple. Obviously, religion won't have Missile officers messing around, but they will have instances of molestation, abuse, rape, toxic leadership, etc. Same goes for other protected groups.

This was discrimination.
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MSG Jose Colon
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That is another reason I have never being a fan of the NY Times.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
CPT Brandon Christensen
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same here MSG
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Sgt Randy Hill
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Great topic. I think that the awareness of bringing mental issues of veterans to the forefront is good. However, people being people tend to stereotype us all as having PTSD and ready to commit violent acts. Awareness is great but the public stereotypes too much and this is a problem in our media. No one says anything about the vet who seems well adjusted. Why it is not newsworthy I guess.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
CPT Brandon Christensen
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Bad news sells.
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LCpl Rick Ponton
LCpl Rick Ponton
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IAM A MARINE CORPS RETIRED VET AND MENTALY CHALLENGED AND THE MIAMI VA HAS THE BEST IN THE WORLD IN PSYCHIATRY AND PSYCHOLOGY AND THEY HAVE PRODUCED GOOD RESULT AND YES I HAD TO BE STUBBORN AND HAVE DOGGED COMMITMENT AND NEVER ACCEPT MY ILLNESS AND I HAVE NOT INCENTIVE TO IMPROVE OTHER THAN MARINE CORPS PRIDE AND AMERICAN PRIDE AND ME STANDING IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND A LOT OF MONEY HAS BEEN INVESTED IN ME AND IAM DETERMINED TO SHOW GOOD REULTS
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Sir I feel this story could have been told from a much better perspective on the dangers of extremist ideologies yet the reporter elected to use hate and fear. The reporter/author Kathleen Belew neglects to suggest that many individuals that enter the military hold on to their extremist ideology during their military careers. The supposed correlation in war veterans and clan membership is lose at best. I would bet that if you look at recruits in law enforcement, paramedics, and firefighters you would also find a similar correlation as many are veterans looking to reintegrate into society. For her to say that veterans join these groups because of the military structure of these groups is moronic, callous, and is as just as indifferent to military service members as those she is speaking about. These members racial views are not those of the military. If anything the military has been at the vanguard of human rights when it comes to race or religion. Also at the end of her article she also goes into the mental health aspects of vets grasping to connect the dots suggesting that former SM's join up for hate groups because of war trauma again is reckless. The main reason these individuals join these groups is they identify with the indifferent message of hate based on skin color. Now give me an article on why racism is still prevalent and I might believe you do this for your day job and not a hack reporter.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
CPT Brandon Christensen
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Well said SPC. It does seem majority of reporters now only claim/write this way to help drive sales and change the public views on the military and what we do. Sadly, only bad news sells. If this "author" were to write an article about how well the military SM's are doing to reintegrate into society and all the great things we do, do you think it would drive views and possibly sales for the company? (rhetorical)
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SGT Ben Keen
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I read the articles too and yeah I'm pretty outraged too.  I think this was a case of a person taking a fact from the story and twisting it around.  The NYTimes will have a lot of clean up coming their way.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
CPT Brandon Christensen
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at least I hope they clean this up.
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SPC David Shaffer
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Sir, there are haters and extremists in most, if not all organizations. Why wouldn't there be in an organization that has members from so many races, different religions, and backgrounds? This is just another situation where there's one bad apple so they blame the tree. It's just crazy to think that way. It would be like someone blaming a gunmaker for a shooting....I guess they have, but you get the point.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
CPT Brandon Christensen
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Totally agree with you SPC. Just like how the whole world views America as "terrorists" and we are all bad, when just in reality only a small portion of the US is bad, while majority of us do/attempt to do good things in life.
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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New York Times??? Trash propagandist media. They have no respect for service-members regardless of what they try to spin.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
CPT Brandon Christensen
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Sadly, I have noticed that about quite a few of their articles. Recently stopped reading them and I feel better
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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This is just another way the far left tries to demonize veterans to promote their agenda.
every segment of our society has it's bad people. To point out a few isolated incidents for the sake of branding an entire demographic is absurd.

The most troubling part of the article is that too many take as gospel what the New York Times and other left leaning media outlets say.

While the article mentions only a few incidents, how many never read past the headline or first paragraph. In fact, the first three paragraphs suggest that many veterans, especially those from the Vietnam era are part of this supremacy movement. By the time the average reader makes it to the fourth paragraph when she suggests it is only a small portion of vets, the liberal reader will have already judged vets as killers, white supremacists, and general degenerates of society.

Any media outlet that allows someone to take a couple facts and apply it to an entire group is irresponsible and negligent. Then again, that is what drives the Main stream media.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
CPT Brandon Christensen
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True, most won't read the full article and after a few seconds of reading, get bored with it and already draw a conclusion about what is being read and they stick with that wrong conclusion. Was it the goal of the media to mislead us? Probably. Just like you said, this is what drives their business
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LCpl Steve Wininger
LCpl Steve Wininger
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I believe it is also psychological Lieutenant. By inserting a negative conclusion At the beginning, they are setting up the reader to follow the conclusions of their premises. regardless of what is said in the middle, the reader has already been conditioned. I might add this does not work on all readers, just those who, in my opinion, are already clinging to a one sided view and easily accept what they read as gospel. In the end of the article they reinforce what they said in the beginning.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
CPT Brandon Christensen
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well said. Totally agree with you
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