Warrant Officer Rating Scheme

A CW3-CW5 merits rating of a field grade officer. 2LT's shouldn't be rating anyone, they don't have the experience nor knowledge to rate any rank

Wait, What???? You thought you were a "real" officer? No, No, No Pinocchio.<br>

Troy,<div><br></div><div>On the aviation side of the house, a CW3 is routinely rated by an LT. &nbsp;This is not a career killer, as aviators work at the platoon level until they are mid-grade CW3s. &nbsp;I do agree that there is no reason that an LT should rate a CW5, and it should not be allowed in the regs. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>The part that we will need to watch is the rater profile. &nbsp;The rater, by reg should be the immediate supervisor, but what will that profile look like if there is only one Warrant Officer being rated by that rater?</div><div><br></div><div>I would also caution against using the term "field grade" until (if) it shows up in the regulations. (AR 600-20)</div>

I thought a 2LT out ranks a CW5? (lol)<div>While I understand Senior Warrants (CW4-CW5) receiving field grade housing and protocol I can't say I consider any warrant officer a field grade? It's like NCOs, you have junior and senior NCOs, then you have junior and senior warrant officers. I think the Army did a good thing by affording senior warrants certain benefits, but let's not make it more than it is. A CSM gets certain protocol levels due to their advanced rank but they by no means carry equivalency to any officer grade. Geneva category on the ID card? III, just like a CGO. We can't mix an mingle the ranks gentlemen. UCMJ authority of a warrant in command? Regardless of rank it's company grade. I will always afford a senior warrant their due respect but it is hard for me to swallow that they are the same as a LTC or COL let alone a General Officer. I've heard the whole "I have NCO experience." We all know that being a warrant is different than being an NCO. I have always said their should be a Warrant officer OER. Why rate a warrant in the same competencies as a commissioned officers? The roles and jobs are completely different. I have a CW2 in my career course, most of the content is completely irrelevant to him and his duties as a vet food inspector.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>When did we start considering CW3 as senior warrants? Don't they only have 6 years warrant service and 4 years commissioned service? Sounds like a mid-grade Captain to me?&nbsp;</div>

How can a 2LT rate anyone when it’s a well known fact that a 2LT can’t find their ass with two hands?

I don't get hung up on who my rater is. I've had CPT's, MAJ's and CW4's for my raters in the past. Most of the time I did not have a Shop Officer so my Bn XO was my rater. As long as you do your job well it shouldn't matter who your rater is. If I'm rated by a LT the only issue will be having to use an intermediate rater to get to a MAJ or above for a Sr. Rater unless the LT's rater is already a MAJ. That's not that big of a deal though, just more steps that have to be completed to finish my OER. I'm appreciative of the perks that are afforded to me as a CW3, but if I really wanted to be a Field Grade Officer I would have gone to OCS instead of WOCS.

My rater varied from a 1LT to a COL. Never really worried about it. Just tried to do a good job.
CW4 Retired

I know this offends the sensibility of almost every Warrant, but the fact remains WO are still subordinate to a 2nd LT in the formal structure. Admittedly it would be a poor choice to have a 2nd LT rate a CW3 and higher but the fact remains. I think someone else wrote "CW4 and CW5s typically raise enough hell when a LT rates them or even a Captain at times to get what they think is right. " Is indicative of the overall Warrant mindset "[until] get what they think is right.

CW4 and CW5s typically raise enough hell when a LT rates them or even a Captain at times to get what they think is right. Frankly it doesn't bother me, but the same can be said of senior raters where here all CW5s are senior rated by the CG or the "O".  When I was a WO1, CW4 "wild" Bill Howell came to Honduras to be given a LT as his rater. I heard more colorful expletives and navy lingo than I had ever known as he was previously assigned as the 101 CGs pilot. Well he belly ached enough to get a CPT. 

Troy,<div><br></div><div>At a minimum, I believe CW3s and above should be rated by a MAJ and senior rated by a LTC. A company grade officer should not be rating CW3s and above.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>DA Form 67-10-2: Part IV, block d.2: Narrative comments—which demonstrate performance regarding field grade attributes and competencies in the rated officer’s current duty position.</div><div><br></div><div>1) How can a Company Grade Plate Officer properly assess the performance regarding field grade attributes of a Field Grade Plate Officer if they are not field grades? How is that possible?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>V/r</div><div>TJ</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>