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So yesterday we were sitting through probably the 5th brief I've had lately on the new OER system when a question occurred to me and another fellow warrant. It was brought up in the discussion that under the new regulation that all Majors must be senior rated by a COL (O6) or higher. That got us thinking that as CW3s (also field grades) what is the minimum senior rater requirement? We pulled up the new reg and was a little surprised to see that all warrants (WO1-CW5 only have a senior rater requirement of MAJ). I was also even more shocked to discover that according to the regulation, a 2LT could actually rate a CW5.<div><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div>
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Well, you are out ranked by a Butterbar no matter how much time in grade you have. A new 2 nd Lt right out of the academy 1 day outranks you!
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Much of this conversation confuses me to be honest. Your rater should be that person that can most effectively evaluate your performance. If that person is a 2LT you better work hard to guide that person, but it does not mean that person is incapable of rating you. I have had an Air Force Major rate me. He had never worked with an army warrant in his life. We sat down and discussed his goals and what he expected of me. Figured out what would be necessary to get a strong eval and then I guided him in writing it. You have opportunities with a junior officer or with someone learning your role in that you can mold the situation. How is that a bad thing?
Lets be honest anyways your senior rater comments are the most important thing on your eval for promotion purposes. The biggest challenge I would say with a 2LT being your rater is how much influence that person can have with your senior rater if there is a fight for ACOMs. I have also found that company commanders dont like getting skipped in the eval so I have never been rated by my platoon leader.
Lets be honest anyways your senior rater comments are the most important thing on your eval for promotion purposes. The biggest challenge I would say with a 2LT being your rater is how much influence that person can have with your senior rater if there is a fight for ACOMs. I have also found that company commanders dont like getting skipped in the eval so I have never been rated by my platoon leader.
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Damn, you Army guys worry to much about nothing.
As a W-2, I wrote my OER, it then went to the O-2 (Ltjg) I worked with. I went from there to the O-5 (Cdr) who ran the Department. As a W-3, I convinced the O-3, he really needed practice writing OER’s, for his own professional development. From there it routed to the O-5 to the O-6.
But really, in the USCG it didn’t matter to much. As long as you didn’t really mess up, you got advanced. Granted all USCG Warrants were senior enlisted, so we had a clue.
As a W-2, I wrote my OER, it then went to the O-2 (Ltjg) I worked with. I went from there to the O-5 (Cdr) who ran the Department. As a W-3, I convinced the O-3, he really needed practice writing OER’s, for his own professional development. From there it routed to the O-5 to the O-6.
But really, in the USCG it didn’t matter to much. As long as you didn’t really mess up, you got advanced. Granted all USCG Warrants were senior enlisted, so we had a clue.
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Since Warrant Officers are greatly needed and respected I seriously doubt any Command would have an LT rate one. The warrants I knew would laugh and walk out.
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CPT William Jones
one does not get to chose his rater. What the officer gets for his rater is spelled out in the regs and his higher chain of command. any officer or warrant that tries to laugh and walk out just made him/her self look stupid and open for more remarks in the proper section in the report. Others establish who your rater and endorser are. there is a space for you to make remarks for an adverse report.
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As it should be. A CW5 salutes a second lieutenant. A major is four grades above a CW5. Your senior raptor would be at most a 1st LT
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In reality, a CWO3 would never work for a 2ndLt. Your experience and expertise are there to advise the commanding officer. So at the minimum, your RS should be your BN XO. Further, as a senior Warrant Officer, you should demand that your RS be commensurate with your rank. There is no way that as a CWO5 I was going to have a 2ndLt report on my performance. Good luck, stand your ground.
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CPT William Jones
My comments about who rated was written because several of the cwo said they should stir things up if they were not happy with who rate them and only rated by someone of a certain grade. My comment was that the first officer up his chain of command as a rater regardless of his rank he is responsible for the cwo.
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CWO4 Frank Williams
CPT William Jones - as a CWO I was never rated by anyone less than a 04. Most of my fitreps were written by 05 and above simply because of the CWO structure in my MOS. Who rated me had nothing to do with my choice but had everything to do with how my chain of command was structured. Even in this day where officers are promoted at an extremely high pace (o4 in 8-10 years) it is hard for a senior CWO to be rated by someone of equal number of years in service or with similar MOS credibility. rating the overall officer performance is easy. Rating the MOS knowledge, skill and abilities of a CWO when the regular officer has really no idea what the CWO actually does becomes the problem.
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CPT William Jones
I read your comment more carefully CW5 Fernandez you said your rater should be commensurate with your rank. A thorough of the USArmy shows that a W5 is junior to any O1. So all that matters is the officer rating an officers date of rank is before the officer or warrant. As a good WArrant or Regular Officer is to carry on and follow orders regs etc in a cheerful manor.
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Last I read a warrant officer is still enlisted...... when I went through OCS there was a w3 that was going through with us....
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CWO2 Richard Rose
Navy Chief Warrant Officers are not "enlisted" my commissioning certificate and oath are the exact same as my Navy Commander O-5 wife. It is a sad commentary when officers in the United States Military do not know the status of the ranks.
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CWO3 (Join to see)
CWO2 Richard Rose - The majority of Bos'ns on amphibs I served on were CWO4s, and very professional.
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Maj Sean Barnes
I did some research and w2 or greater receive a comission. I did not know. I read that it was in 1986 or later when the change was made. I have been hearing the Air Force is debating bringing the rank back mainly due to drone piloting which the same has been said for regular pilots as alot of officers only want to fly and not do all the command functions.
However if a W want to cross over to O it appears they still have to go to OCS in most cases. While reading a W usually garners the same respect as a E-9 but are saluted by all enlisted, though pay wise same scale as an O.
However if a W want to cross over to O it appears they still have to go to OCS in most cases. While reading a W usually garners the same respect as a E-9 but are saluted by all enlisted, though pay wise same scale as an O.
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CWO4 Frank Williams
Maj Sean Barnes - That is correct. I served as a CO as a W1 and had no NJP authority. Everyone went straight to BN for NJP until I picked up CWO2.
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My thought is, that's the most ridiculous bill shit I've heard on a while.
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Just because it is written in the regulations that way doesn’t mean you will experience it. The only time I could think of where a warrant could be by a 2LT is in aviation, which are usually 1LTs by the time they are in a position to rate, or in tradoc maybe. Even then that would be rare. Outside of that there’s maintenance, which is most likely. Warrants are battalion level assets, so they should be rated as such according to the section they’re in.
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Lol who cares, I've had many lt's and captains rate me. Here's what you do fellas, write your own ncoer and oer and give it to them. 99% of the time they won't even touch it. Take charge and control of your career don't let an inexperienced person write your future just because he out ranks you. If you were fair, honest and worked hard and wrote what you did, they will sign it and move on.
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