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So yesterday we were sitting through probably the 5th brief I've had lately on the new OER system when a question occurred to me and another fellow warrant. It was brought up in the discussion that under the new regulation that all Majors must be senior rated by a COL (O6) or higher. That got us thinking that as CW3s (also field grades) what is the minimum senior rater requirement? We pulled up the new reg and was a little surprised to see that all warrants (WO1-CW5 only have a senior rater requirement of MAJ). I was also even more shocked to discover that according to the regulation, a 2LT could actually rate a CW5.<div><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div>
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There are some very smart and sharp second lieutenants. There are also a lot of them who need experience, growing up, and more education. I have worked with what I consider to be the very best, and I have also work with some lieutenant who don't have a clue. This is an insane policy. Second lieutenant should never be given the opportunity to rate warrant officers.
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My Dad was a CWII and came up through the NCO ranks. He had 5 boys and all but one of them have served. Dad put in just over 22 years. And as for me I turned down two ways to become and officer. I have been put in leadership positions at my rank even cause others above me didn't want to do it and because of the expertise I did things with on the job. And I have had three people that were up to three ranks above me. And when I ETSed I got an ARCOM for my time in as my highest award. And EVERY Time I had someone that out ranked me They Lost.
I say all of that because almost Every 2nd Lt. Liked to play power games. I only had one that ever acted like he should have. And I see way too much chance for a 2nd Lt. playing a power game with the CWs. And CW's fill a very essential nitch in the military and we do not need unnecessary end fighting. And really if I understood you right a CW5 is supposed to be evaluated by a Maj and from what my dad told me when there were just 4 levels of CWs that a CW4 had the same pull as a full bird Col. But at least they have some years of experience. And that said no W or CW should be evaluated by anyone lower than a 1st Lt and pref. Maj. or higher.
I say all of that because almost Every 2nd Lt. Liked to play power games. I only had one that ever acted like he should have. And I see way too much chance for a 2nd Lt. playing a power game with the CWs. And CW's fill a very essential nitch in the military and we do not need unnecessary end fighting. And really if I understood you right a CW5 is supposed to be evaluated by a Maj and from what my dad told me when there were just 4 levels of CWs that a CW4 had the same pull as a full bird Col. But at least they have some years of experience. And that said no W or CW should be evaluated by anyone lower than a 1st Lt and pref. Maj. or higher.
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In active duty the LTS were told to shut up and learn..warrants have been in their field many years .
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Fuck that.. as a warrant officer.. you have to know the ins and outs of your field..no LT knows shit about that.. how can they rank you when they hardly know the army
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I agree, I have observed that too often Warrant Officers, especially Aviators are unfairly evaluated by inexperienced commissioned officers. My last OER before I retired from active duty as a CW4 was written by a very junior 2LT. This young officer, who was fresh out of flight school, gave me the worst OER of my entire 21 year career in the Army. This 2LT was my rater only because I was then slotted as a Warrant Officer aviator in his platoon, even though my actual duty at that time was performing duties as the Battalion Standardization Instructor Pilot (SP). The TO&E at that time did not have a slot for a Battalion SP. I barely knew this guy and my only direct contact with him was when I gave him a no notice flight evaluation for which I found his performance to be unsatisfactory. Looking back, I should have appealed this bad OER.
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CPT William Jones
From your own written statement the 2Lt raterdid nothing to your career you are just pissed off because you had an O1 rate you. My son is a pilot and flight school is 9 months how did you find a 2lt assighned to a unit. All I aver saw including time I served as an engineer were 1Lts. just wondering.
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Don't care. The purpose of the OER is to track your career progression and to assist you in getting promoted. If a 2LT's signature will do that; fine.
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That just doesn't sound right it us to be that warent officer needed to be 1Lt or higher not a 2Lt and cw3 cw4 cw5 us to be captain or higher
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My rater was always a CPT(03) or higher. SR Rater was a MAJ or LTC, and reviewer a LTC or higher. Had a Major General once as a reviewer due to a command change.
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Before you make a comment please check your branch of service and the associated regs.
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