Posted on Jan 19, 2016
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Code of Conduct section V:
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

You be the judge.
Undoubtedly that Lieutenant will be answering questions on exactly this subject.
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SPC Daniel Cahill
SPC Daniel Cahill
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It is our political will that is the issue.... no need to get into that here.... old news... hopefully will change with new administration (fingers crossed).... sickening state of affairs ... nuff said here... thanks for your consideration....
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SFC Carlos Gamino
SFC Carlos Gamino
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Clearly they were never POWs. No war has been declared on Iran. Lots of ignorant comments.
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SFC Carlos Gamino - Uniformed military personnel detained by a non-belligerent are afforded the protections of the Third Geneva Convention.
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SPC Steven Depuy
SPC Steven Depuy
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I have no problem with anything they did. Its easy for me or anyone else sitting on my ass in my heated office to question what they did and demand they acted different. We were not the ones looking down the wrong end of a gun and bound by ROE limitations.
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They weren't prisoners of war. We're not at war with Iran. They weren't conducting military operations against Iran as ordered by the US government. They fucked up and entered the waters of another country that we have a tense and volatile relationship with. If you think about it, an apology makes sense. If we publicly claim we made a mistake and unlawfully entered their territory with armed military men by accident, why wouldn't we say "sorry, our bad" and get the hell out of there?

Things like this are way, way more complicated than many think. Even within Iran, there are hardliners and military leaders who would like nothing more than to keep them hostage and scuttle the nuke deal. Fortunately, because of our improved diplomatic ties we were able to get the sailors and their boats and equipment back in less than 24 hours. It could have gone much worse, with a much greater negative impact on the security situation.

As for the outrage about the propaganda video, what would anyone expect? But the US lost any moral authority to bit ch about a minor violation of conventions after our disgraceful actions at Abu Ghraib and with our waterboarding. Plus, I'm pretty sure I've seen video on our TV of people getting arrested by our border patrol for illegal entry.

If you don't want a country to put our military on the news, keep them from "misnavigating". If you don't like Cam Newton dancing in the endzone, don't let him score. When you screw up and hand the enemy a propaganda tool on a silver platter, don't be shocked when they use it.
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great answer thank you
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I think you win the internet today. Yours is the most intelligent response on this IMO.
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CPT Jason Mitchell, MBA
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this whole incident seems a bit odd. Considering how the Sailors were following SOPs, and had two PT boats, then how could both have broken down and drifted into Iranian waters? Also, the Navy C&C back on the larger vessels would have been tracking them going off course WAY BEFORE the Iranians would have intercepted. Considering this falls smack in the middle of the Iranian Sanction debacle makes me think it was some sort of PR stunt by our administration (along with Iran) to paint us as aggressors and Iran as soft-handed even during such a "massive" transgression. I'm sure it will be like the Benghazi incident, and we will never know the truth from the mouths of our own politicians.
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CPT Jason Mitchell, MBA
CPT Jason Mitchell, MBA
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SN Greg Wright - I'm not sure what you are explaining differently than what I discussed. I did not say that anyone was left behind in distress. In fact, I said that it would make more sense for the Sailors in the functioning boat to quickly hook up to the downed vessel and start towing it back immediately to their parent ship (or safe port). I agree with you in my first post that they should have been towing the other. Secondly, why were they so unaware of their location during this entire operation? In the Army, you are constantly giving location updates either through verbal comms or the TOC (tactical ops center) already knows where you are to the meter by watching on battle tracking GPS systems. I'm assuming that's what an ops center inside a command vessel is doing as well. So, if they were within 100m of the Iranian waterway, wouldn't the command and ops folks be screaming across the net to hook up and tow as quickly as possible? Also, during the pre-patrol or movement brief, I would hope the CO or patrol leader briefed the risk of traveling so closely to hostile waters and had a contingency plan in case one boat became disabled. Can you please explain to me what was unclear in my earlier comment?
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SN Greg Wright
SN Greg Wright
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CPT Jason Mitchell, MBA I was addressing this specific statement, Captain:

"Considering how the Sailors were following SOPs, and had two PT boats, then how could both have broken down and drifted into Iranian waters?"

It seems to be a recurring theme (not just from you), and it baffles me that many people are willing to accept that statistically improbable occurrence. Everything else you said, I completely agree with. They should have known. There's no way both boats' nav equipment failed at the same time. Their command should have known, and hell, even civilian VTC (vessel traffic control, which all high-traffic waterways have, just like aircraft) should have been able to warn them. So to be clear, I'm not in any manner defending them. There were a LOT of balls dropped. I apologize if it seemed I was censuring you. That wasn't my intention.

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Hmm. Re-reading your post, I now think that maybe your statement was disbelief directed at news versions that claim that both broke down. If that's the case, I certainly understand how my post might seem derisive. My assumption was that YOU were thinking that. Again, I apologize.
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CPT Jason Mitchell, MBA
CPT Jason Mitchell, MBA
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This is from your reply to the 1SG earlier in the chain of comments, and I think we both agree exactly: "1SG Jerry Healy - THAT is the much better question, 1SG. And you're right, there are glaring improbabilities otherwise, as well. The only thing I'd shoot down is the 'they both broke down at the same time' point. They should have been aware of where they were (this is also baffling to me. Nearly every boat (and pocket, car, truck..etc) has gps receivers), and immediately, upon determining there was a problem, began towing the 'bad' boat. This is seriously an evolution that would take less than a minute: note the problem, radio, wait 20 seconds for the other boat to come around (less if it's behind), catch a tossed line and make it fast. Jet out of dodge.

There was definitely serious systemic failures here. And I fear you're correct that we'll just never know. My unfortunate guess is that the detachment commander (likely the LT) got scared and screwed the pooch."
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SPC Daniel Cahill
SPC Daniel Cahill
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All the engines failed and other electrical systems (radios too.. if true?)? Some folks have suggested that the Iranians are testing limited EMP weapons... that would explain a lot of things. If a boat drifted into Iranian waters (probably not true... Iranians claiming international waters are theirs [the Persian Gulf when they can])... Anyway, I digress... all they should have done was give them a tow... but they were out to humiliate us (of course)... You can find reason in any encounter with those people... and it is highly possible that they may have been the cause (assuming EMP weaponry)... What the hell, don't try to think reasonably with unreasonable people!!!
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