Posted on Apr 23, 2015
Was the mission during the Cold War peace or war? Do Cold War veterans have less to be proud of than combat veterans?
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I have heard and seen many Middle East veterans downplay service during the Cold War. While there are many vets that served in both, I believe many veterans misunderstand the mission during the Cold War. If the balloon had gone up, mankind and our world would be a much different place. I believe the mission was to preserve the peace, because a NATO vs Warsaw Pact war was unthinkable. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions dead and Europe, if not the world, in ruin. Such a war would have dwarfed the Middle East campaigns. Through nearly constant training, exercises, blood, sweat, tears and yes.... casualties we made crossing that border far to deadly for The Warsaw Pact to consider. The mission was peace through deterrence....Mission accomplished. I appreciate all who have served in combat theaters, please just remember that combat is not always the mission, and veterans that have not engaged the enemy are no less a veteran than those that have.
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Frankly, I find the attitude that some have toward Cold War veterans to be totally offensive. Apparently, some of these people think that the world was just one big happy party prior to 9/11 --- they forget that the Cold War wasn't always "cold" ...
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MSG David Johnson
We had to do Target Folder runs twice a year. We would set inert charges and run inert set cord to make sure everything worked so the bridges could be blown if the balloon actually went up.
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SSG Shawn Ireland
Fact I find interesting still today, is that we were the NCO‘s and Officers that trained these soldiers how to fight a war in new vehicles even though they did send thousands of M113‘s. The Army had just received the Bradley‘s and there were various wheeled vehicles that were also adopted for our inventory and weapons of war. Though there was vast amount of soldiers who had joined during The Cold War. Our job was unlike any that our military has ever had to face again. We held our ground in the knowledge that we were little less than a speed bump. We accepted our jobs and trained most all year. We spent more time on maneuvers and at the ranges. We were no different than any other group of soldiers as we played hard as well as working hard. I am glad in the knowledge that was passed along and the in country training that helped keep the number of dead or injured soldiers down..We shall forever have a place for those taken and will join with them when the time comes. Very proud to have served and shall forever miss the life.
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Cpl James Sullo
I had two good friends die during the cold war, and I almost bought it a few times. So for those who say peace time, maybe so but people did die defending your country and it could have gone very badly if we weren't there showing strength and resolve like we did.
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TSgt Edward McLean
I was just in the Marine Reserve during the cold war. We were a cold weather/ mountain warfare unit. During one of our readiness exercises we were basically told that if the balloon went up, with what we were tasked for at the time, we would be mobilized, shipped out, on the ground and dead with 48 hours. Our job was to be the 2nd line of defense to a Soviet incursion in North Europe and we were to take as many BMPs with us as we could. Given the numbers of men, machines, and weapons it was reported the enemy had, we had little reason to doubt that scuttlebutt. But you know what, we would have done it too. Now I'm an OIF vet from another branch and even though I served two tours in Iraq and was exposed to all kinds of fun there, my Marine training in the Cold War was far more difficult than my actual wartime service.
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The Cold War was a standoff between the USSR and the NATO FORCES deployed in Europe. It was a time when we were installing Nuclear Weapons and watching every move made by the Eastern Block. Though there were few Units actually stationed on the boarder, we were within 30 kilometers from the boarder and had units moving all along the 1 kilometer zone. Our objective was to take positions in the Fulda Gap and prevent at all costs being overrun by the Eastern Block Forces. And if need be to die in position to allow time for the rest of NATO FORCES to reinforce us and have the forces in the states deployed to Europe to help defend our position in Europe. We were to stay in position and die in place if it came to being overrun. To say it was a peaceful time is in my mind an understatement. During the 70's and 80's when I was to serve two tours overseas for a total of 4 1/2 years we were alerted countless times and move to our prestageing positions and wait for further orders and issuing of live ammo and provisions. In 83, I believe we were a stone throw away from going to war as this was the first time we were waiting in our motor pool for our live ammo to be delivered to us even before we reached our prestageing positions. The looks in the senior officers faces and the fact that I was the Company Commanders APC Driver, as this was prior to receiving and training with the Bradleys gave me insight and knowledge to the happenings of that day. We also had Russian spies that were active in our areas of operations and postings. We had been informed to be on the lookout for anyone who looked out of place and was watching our operations. There were soldiers killed and taken and some even turned into traders giving out any information they could for what ever deal they could make. We also had active terrorist within our areas as well, as some will remember the assasination atemp on Alexander Haigh. But we were not given medals on The War Against Terrorism! In fact a soldier on guard was given either a night stick, or his M16, and a five round magazine of live rounds which were not allowed to be loaded into the weapon but remain in his ammo pouch. The only time the weapon could be loaded was after the third attempt to stop and identify the individual or group with no success. Then once loaded you still had to challenge them once again before deadly force could be used. Now I want to say the I said he and not she, as at that time we had no females within our ranks at Basic or at our Duty Station. The only female soldiers were in the hospital or in finance or one of the higher secretary jobs. We didn't even have any working in the mess hall. So the time I spent in Germany was not so peaceful as one would think. Now the Soviet Block Units were locked and loaded. They had machine guns pointed towards us and we could not make any jestures towards them so as not to provoke an incident. I saw many soldiers injured doing their jobs to enclude myself and there were even some deaths. That's the real picture that we were under. Yes we went to the gausthauses and drank our beer and enjoyed ourselves when we could as did every generation that served. To say we had it easy and knew of no harm is a false statement and one that personally offends me as a veteran who serve his nation on their terms and rules. I have no disrespect for anyone who served our nation honorably and received an Honorable Discharge from service! We all had a job and we can't control the times when wars start or end, but we all served and I trained my men well as none of them died in any of the Wars that followed my being medically discharged honorably. And to that I thank the Lord above. I would only say that our government has done us Cold War Veterans an injustice by not allowing us the National Defense Medal, nor signing the petition for a Cold War Service Medal as every other conflict has two to three medals for service in them.
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SSG Shawn Ireland
SPC John Parmenter - I talked directly of my particular service, however I am and was aware that it was bigger than just Europe. Every country that we were deployed to was due to the Cold War and our interests around the world. There were many things that took place during the Cold War. We were still in Vietnam, Korea, and many other hotspots around the world. I in no way was implying that the Cold War was a European issue only, as it effected the entire world. We all had a job and stationed around the world accordingly to show our presence and hopefully ward off any attacks. The Cold War era included so many different conflicts and places around the world that most would just stop reading if I were to try and list them all. So yes,The Cold War was an worldwide event/situation and there were few lines that showed the good side from that of our enemies. Yes in Europe and Korea there were distinct lines and no question as to which side you were on. The main issue though, and I’m sure most will agree was the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. Their willingness/threats of using their Nuclear Weapons against the US and NATO Forces on a constant basis was always at a heightened level even though this would bring total world destruction. Some will argue that we are still actively involved in The Cold War! With so many hotspots around the globe and our military ever reducing in numbers, we must continue to keep our vigil. We Americans continue to try helping with the peace and understanding of all nations, regardless of their religion or different beliefs which tend to separate us from finding a resolve to most situations. I believe that everyone truly starts out good, but are molded by their environment and political issues. We have a big part in the instability of Iraq, Afghanistan and a few others in the region. Having been a silent partner of the conflicts of that region over the years, it should come to no surprise why we are so disliked. We have at one time or another been involved with both sides. Throughout the years we have backed those who were fighting against an enemy that was receiving help and supplies from The Soviet Union, now Russia. So we have been partners with most all sides at one time or another which doesn’t look good for us, and has much to do with our being very much disliked in the area by most. The Cold War was a worldwide issue, it’s just that there were three big players then, America, Russia, and China. Today there are many more nations that have nuclear capabilities.
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SP5 Joel O'Brien
There was no colder Cold War location than West Berlin. Being 'cold' in more than one way, Berlin was a hotspot of Cold War activity and evolution. My three years there were the best assignment I received while in the Army.
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SFC Christopher Taggart
As a veteran of the Cold War Era too, I would have to agree with those that have already commented, we had a "real-world" mission. It's nothing to downplay or be forgotten.
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SPC (Join to see)
I agree with you totally and everything you said was absolutely true.
I was there I know. 1975 1st Infantry division 11B.
The alerts, the injuries, 8 months of the year in the field, the live ammo.
I saw death over there.
Yeah it was real.
I was there I know. 1975 1st Infantry division 11B.
The alerts, the injuries, 8 months of the year in the field, the live ammo.
I saw death over there.
Yeah it was real.
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The Cold War was an ERA, which consisted of numerous Conflicts, including most notably the Korean War & Vietnam.
Just like the Middle East ERA consisted of numerous Conflicts, including Gulf 1, OEF & OIF.
We cannot look at War, let alone Hot War as a series of on/off events like a lightswitch. It is more like a wave with ups & downs.
In essence, since WWII, we have never been at Peace. To say we have, is misleading. We have been at a constant state of readiness with what we touted as an Enemy, one of equal size, equal capability, and equal willingness to use force. How is that not War in Actuality?
Just like the Middle East ERA consisted of numerous Conflicts, including Gulf 1, OEF & OIF.
We cannot look at War, let alone Hot War as a series of on/off events like a lightswitch. It is more like a wave with ups & downs.
In essence, since WWII, we have never been at Peace. To say we have, is misleading. We have been at a constant state of readiness with what we touted as an Enemy, one of equal size, equal capability, and equal willingness to use force. How is that not War in Actuality?
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