Posted on Apr 12, 2021
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Has anyone seen the story out of Virginia about 2LT Caron Nazario. I'm looking for some feedback on his actions and the police reactions. Is this acceptable conduct for an officer in the US Military Has anyone else had this kind of interaction?
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Yes his conduct was 100% acceptable. He did nothing wrong. In fact, police often encourage citizens to pull over into a well lit area if possible, even when being pulled over by the police. There are instances of people pretending to be police as well.

Even if they claim they didn't see the temporary tag in his rear window in the cruiser, they'd have seen it when they got out. So there was no need to go up to him weapons drawn. No need to pepper spray. He was 100% right to say "Can I unbuckle my seat belt" because had he not, they probably would have shot him. Then that cop saying "you're gonna ride the lightning." That cop was looking for a reason to do something.

Also getting release with no charges or a citation - and the one cop got fired. The cops were wrong. He did nothing more than be a black man in a brand new car.
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TSgt James Warfield
TSgt James Warfield
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Your welcome to your opinion, Personally don't think the officer was wrong in what he said to you, if you were being what you said to him.
Don't know how many times, my dad threaten me with death, He didn't mean it.
I don't believe a police officer has to be polite all the time, now being physical abusive, or saying racist comments, no they don't should not be doing that.
I will stick to my original statement as I am sure most likely you will.
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MSgt Allen Chandler
MSgt Allen Chandler
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TSgt James Warfield - Yes police officers Are required to be polite at all times. It's part of the job. If you can't live up to the job Then get a different job.
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SFC Isaac Reyes
SFC Isaac Reyes
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SFC Reyes(Ret) I did 21 yrs army and when I retired I went to work for m state as a Trooper. As a cop you should be on your toes for anything, I was told that as a cop I had to have thick skin when dealing with the public they will call you everything except Jesus. We are taught levels of escalation and how to bring the situation down. It appears to me that this officer went from 0 to 4 real quick. which wasn't needed My first contact with the LT. would have been " so I see your in the Army " and used my experience in the army to form sort of a friend situation and then go from there. Just my thought.
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Cpl Henry Busby
Cpl Henry Busby
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TSgt James Warfield - With them yelling like they had just captured Number 1 on the most wanted list, and being very aggressive, in my opinion, without cause, I believe that a trained Officer of the Law has the duty and responsibility to deescalate situations rather than escalate. Respect goes both ways, but that seems to be forgotten these days. I have had interaction with LE and will tell you that it is not as anxiety filled when the officers are respectful rather than treating you like a criminal before knowing anything about you. They are not all powerful and hold a responsibility to the public.
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Was pulling over and cooperating fully with the police, being completely deferential in a desperate attempt not to be shot for being the wrong skin color acceptable conduct for an Officer? Yes. It's pretty much expected for enlisted as well...
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PO1 Charles Smith - I wish your suggestions for police officers were happening, but they just ain't. I would prefer a citizens board over FBI to investigate police misconduct; FBI are just another police department.
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PO1 Charles Smith
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CMSgt (Join to see) - I believe the FBI to be different. First, they receive more training than other law enforcement officers. Second, they are the federal arm that is supposed to investigate law enforcement misconduct; they simply have never made a designated arm for that, nor has federal politics allowed it. Third, how many times have you heard of complaints about FBI shootings and arrests?
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1LT Multifunctional Logistician
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PO1 Charles Smith - Does the FBI routinely interact with the public at large the way state and local law enforcement do? By that I mean, are they conducting traffic stops, checking out with suspicious individuals, or being the first to arrive at the scene of a critical incident? Second, I assume when you refer to the FBI as the "arm" that investigates law enforcement misconduct I assume you are referring to the DOJ investigating civil rights violations by law enforcement? The FBI is an exceptional organization of tremendous integrity, but they have a different law enforcement mission than your local PD. I would also like to inquire in what aspects they receive more training, and compared to who?
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PO1 Charles Smith
PO1 Charles Smith
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" Does the FBI routinely interact with the public at large the way state and local law enforcement do? By that I mean, are they conducting traffic stops, checking out with suspicious individuals, or being the first to arrive at the scene of a critical incident?"
nope as you already knew; this alone is the reason that a police officer needs more training than they currently get.
https://www.fbi.gov/services/training-academy/new-agent-training
I added this since you are too lazy to look up things yourself. I am not going to be your research flunky.
be so kind as to read what I think is a minimum that a police officer needs earlier in the thread before responding more. As a logistician I would expect you to do better than this.
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LTC Kevin B.
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Considering that the military officer was released at the scene and was not charged, coupled with the fact that the police officer was fired after the internal investigation, I can't fault the young Lieutenant. I probably would not have reacted the same way, but then again, I have never faced being pulled over and treated so suspiciously like that.
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CPT Eric Hodek - Well, I am glad that you had an excellent traffic stop but when I served as an Army MP and as a Federal Border Patrol Agent, the dynamics of patrolling your community/sector/whatever are never the same. I been on one man and two man patrols in garrison. Combat patrols in Iraq. Foot patrols in the mountains. Each PD throughout the country has their own policy. Did you have your license plates hidden from the officer's view that would make his have reasonable suspicion in his pursuit? I bet he ran your plate before he even got to your vehicle. In the case of the LT, the officers articulated they did not. Either way, everyone is trying to quarterback this but unless you been on the job and know each's department's policy, then you cannot say I am wrong. The officers called in the situation and they were told to proceed. I could not run code on base unless I was given the OK to do so. Also, this is only happening to people of color or colored people thing is ludicrous about police stops. I know there are tons of white people who have experienced the same as well, but the media pushes this narrative to push a political agenda. Which is that white cops are inherently racist and biased towards non-whites and that is not true. I have known many great white cops that treat everyone with respect and the one thing you need to understand, that all police candidates and cadets in the academy are constantly shown videos such as these to ensure that you need to be on guard because you want to go home to your families at night. Remember that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWHDLJ_HLW0
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SFC Craig Titzkowski
SFC Craig Titzkowski
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Someone shot an unarmed vet on Jan 6th 2021 no one talks or asked the question when did the guy that pulled the trigger feel his life was in danger. Watch the video and honestly answer the question as a trained soldier when would you feel your life was in danger in that event and what would have you done
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TSgt James Warfield
TSgt James Warfield
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SrA John Monette - He didn't drive slowly with hazard lights flashing, He didn't obey the commands of the officer. These very same group of people who are getting gunned down more then ever because we have taken the side that people can just disobey a command.
Every shooting gets investigated. 99 % of the shootings are because someone disobeyed a command given by a law enforce officer.
Also check the FBI stats, more white men our shot in the a same period as blacks the only difference it the news media, and whites aren't marching in the street against the use of force.
I am very scared and troubled that so many military people are not looking at facts. The police officer was fired I am sure because of PC and nothing more. These kind of actions, just divides this country and races even more. It's interesting that the Video I watched on this incident was narrated by and ex Black Police officer and military veteran, who looked at it with facts and logic and came to the conclusion that the Lt should not be in the military, I agree. That the officers did do some minor procedures wrong, and he said minor. But he believed they handled it right. The narrator's ( and I agree ) saw a not a scared person but smug person, who was using not only his rank as military officer but his race to challenge the officers.
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TSgt James Warfield
TSgt James Warfield
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CW4 (Join to see) - thanks for the video, but people will still now days take the side of the man who shot the officers.
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