Posted on Apr 12, 2021
Was the officer's conduct acceptable in the video showing his interaction with the Virginia police?
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I just watch the video and it was heartbreaking and infuriating. I have a great deal of respect for police officers and all individuals within the field. But this police officer behaved like a bloody lunatic. The LT's fears are legitimate; my brother was a police officer so, through him I know they have to give you a reason why they pull you over. And in this case, the officer did not. The LT was calm and polite. I think (in my opinion) if the officer would have been calmer and gave him the reason without screaming like a maniac, the LT most likely would have gotten out. It was difficult to watch one of our brothers being treated in a grotesque manner. And I don't care what color of the rainbow your skin is, no human being should be treated the way. I pray for both parties, for the cops to learn the lessons behind this incident, and be wiser about their choices. But mostly for my brother in arms. If that would have been me, I would have a few nightmares.
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after the altercation by the police with the officer, the command sargeant mansplained to the officer that the military officer is black so it's the black person's being black in and of itself that creates the situation and being black means being patient submissive and obedient or they have to know they'll be brutalized.
i was enraged, i know what it's like to be brutalized by philadelphia police in the 60s for being an activist. beaten by several police at once with clubs ... for having long hair and an earing. i used to get stopped just for having PoC in my car. i used to live in the Move neighborhood. i am 77 and it makes me feel 27 again and angry. I had a friend then, a vietnam Medal of Honor winner. A first nations Seneca, but I can't really explain how he took care of certain kinds of officers.
it's time the white in the USA has to be replaced by human all around. there are no white people. biologically, socially, culturally no one is "white": it's someting invented to deny humanity. Like in Dred Scott v Sandford. dehumanization. nobody has ever been white and that's why they are such cowards so full of fear.
i was enraged, i know what it's like to be brutalized by philadelphia police in the 60s for being an activist. beaten by several police at once with clubs ... for having long hair and an earing. i used to get stopped just for having PoC in my car. i used to live in the Move neighborhood. i am 77 and it makes me feel 27 again and angry. I had a friend then, a vietnam Medal of Honor winner. A first nations Seneca, but I can't really explain how he took care of certain kinds of officers.
it's time the white in the USA has to be replaced by human all around. there are no white people. biologically, socially, culturally no one is "white": it's someting invented to deny humanity. Like in Dred Scott v Sandford. dehumanization. nobody has ever been white and that's why they are such cowards so full of fear.
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In the video, you can clearly see the temporary tag mounted in the back window. It is customary for vehicle's that are being stopped to slow down, put on their hazard lights and proceed to the nearest lighted place. All police are taught this. The original officer erred by telling dispatch that this was a felony stop when the vehicle slowed but didn't stop and proceeded to the service station. The original officer needs to be retrained in how to stop a vehicle in any situation. The officer that did the pepper spraying in addition to him being fired, needs to be brought under federal charges of illegal assault on a member of the Military. This stop was over a tag the officer with all his bright lights says he couldn't see but easily shows up in the lights of the video.
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Was it acceptable? Yes. However, I believe those police people KNEW what they were doing.
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As a retired police officer the LT was 100% correct in what he did. I have advised many people who have asked what to do if being pulled over at night on a dark road.
My advice was to slow down, put on your emergency lights, call 911 to have them tell the officer what you are doing or somehow signal to the officer that you at least acknowledge their presence. It seems the LT did some of that.
Added to the fact that the officer claimed to be conducting a felony stop. You don’t do felony stops with just one officer nor do you approach the vehicle - you order the suspect out and have them walk backwards to you.
I’m a proud veteran but have become less proud of my profession after the military. There needs to be a nation wide training standard that all dept adhere to. Everyone is trained the same.
My advice was to slow down, put on your emergency lights, call 911 to have them tell the officer what you are doing or somehow signal to the officer that you at least acknowledge their presence. It seems the LT did some of that.
Added to the fact that the officer claimed to be conducting a felony stop. You don’t do felony stops with just one officer nor do you approach the vehicle - you order the suspect out and have them walk backwards to you.
I’m a proud veteran but have become less proud of my profession after the military. There needs to be a nation wide training standard that all dept adhere to. Everyone is trained the same.
PO1 Timothy Strunk
LCpl Sidney Green - Absolutely I'm saying that. Those police officers had no idea who they were pulling over and they had just cause to pull the Lt. over.
The Lt should have simply complied with the officers orders and the whole mess would have been quickly cleared up and he would have been on his way.
The Media has stirred up this false idea that police are out to get everyone with dark skin. This simply isn't true. I am a white man. I've been pulled over, put on the ground hard and hand cuffed myself as I fit the description of a WHITE guy who just murdered his Girl friend. Whites are treated in the same matter as blacks are by Law enforcement but the media fails to report this because it's simply not news worthy. Whites who have not been fooled into believing that Law Enforcement Officers (LEO'S) are out to kill them simply cooperate with LEO's and in most cases the interactions go w/o incident.
92% of dark skin people are hurt/killed by other dark skin people. Less then 1% are hurt/killed by police officers and most of the time it's because the dark skin suspect didn't cooperate with the orders coming from the police officer(s). People like yourself have been fooled into believing some thing which has been proven false many times.
The Lt should have simply complied with the officers orders and the whole mess would have been quickly cleared up and he would have been on his way.
The Media has stirred up this false idea that police are out to get everyone with dark skin. This simply isn't true. I am a white man. I've been pulled over, put on the ground hard and hand cuffed myself as I fit the description of a WHITE guy who just murdered his Girl friend. Whites are treated in the same matter as blacks are by Law enforcement but the media fails to report this because it's simply not news worthy. Whites who have not been fooled into believing that Law Enforcement Officers (LEO'S) are out to kill them simply cooperate with LEO's and in most cases the interactions go w/o incident.
92% of dark skin people are hurt/killed by other dark skin people. Less then 1% are hurt/killed by police officers and most of the time it's because the dark skin suspect didn't cooperate with the orders coming from the police officer(s). People like yourself have been fooled into believing some thing which has been proven false many times.
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LCpl Sidney Green
PO1 Timothy Strunk - To your first point, it is possible to make no mistakes, follow instructions completely, and still not win. At this point we have enough video evidence proving that to fill a database. And yes, that could happen to anyone. The police are out of control, but like everything else, minorities always suffer the worst.
The Lt. could have more likely stopped on a dark street and never seen alive again, with only the cops testimony as to the events that lead up to his death. God knows we have far more history of that outcome than the one you suggest. In any event, the list of outcomes from changing elements is infinite; therefore, if you want to be taken seriously, please stop making that claim.
As to you your second point, the same can be said of whites: The majority of crimes against whites are committed by other whites. But that's not the issue here, nor the point I'm making. My point is justice, where cops open fire first, and ask questions never. They get to walk away from murder after their "internal investigation" Scot-free.
The Lt. could have more likely stopped on a dark street and never seen alive again, with only the cops testimony as to the events that lead up to his death. God knows we have far more history of that outcome than the one you suggest. In any event, the list of outcomes from changing elements is infinite; therefore, if you want to be taken seriously, please stop making that claim.
As to you your second point, the same can be said of whites: The majority of crimes against whites are committed by other whites. But that's not the issue here, nor the point I'm making. My point is justice, where cops open fire first, and ask questions never. They get to walk away from murder after their "internal investigation" Scot-free.
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PO1 Timothy Strunk
LCpl Sidney Green - It's simple, do as you are commanded to do by police. Thousands are pulled over or have run in's every day by/with law enforcement and less then 1% end up dead, white, black, Latino or any other race. I suggest to people like you to become law enforcement and show everyone how it's done. Many do and most find out that it's a hard job and there's simply no other way to do it. It's not the movies, there's no script, you have no idea how things are going to turn out. You have a job to do and you try and do it the best way you can.
The problem with people like you is you believe all the fear mongering the media puts out. You have a run in with law enforcement, you immediately cop an attitude and things go bad real quick. Your whole "cops open fire first, and ask questions never" is complete BS and you know it. Fact is these days cops are scared and with good reason. The media has made everyone fear and hate them. So just like in combat when you are clearing a village looking for the bad guy's. You get a bit jumpy and ready to shoot anyone because you feel everyone is your enemy and all you are doing is trying to stop the bad guy's and keep everyone safe.
So go join the police force, walk in their shoes and show all the law enforcement how to deal with people who have been brought up to hate you for doing your job.
The problem with people like you is you believe all the fear mongering the media puts out. You have a run in with law enforcement, you immediately cop an attitude and things go bad real quick. Your whole "cops open fire first, and ask questions never" is complete BS and you know it. Fact is these days cops are scared and with good reason. The media has made everyone fear and hate them. So just like in combat when you are clearing a village looking for the bad guy's. You get a bit jumpy and ready to shoot anyone because you feel everyone is your enemy and all you are doing is trying to stop the bad guy's and keep everyone safe.
So go join the police force, walk in their shoes and show all the law enforcement how to deal with people who have been brought up to hate you for doing your job.
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PO1 Timothy Strunk As someone who worked in the LE community both in the South and Midwest I can say with 100% surety that minorities are NOT treated equally by all LEOs. There are racist cops out there - whether those cops want to admit it or not. They might not go to Klan meetings but the things they say speak loudly. My old dept - Wilmington NC Police Dept just fired three cops after a review of body cam footage caught them talking racist shit about people in their community. Their defense was that they weren’t racist but we’re just engaging in “locker room talk.”
You engage in talk like that you WILL treat minorities differently when you encounter them. Plain and simple.
You engage in talk like that you WILL treat minorities differently when you encounter them. Plain and simple.
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I would have done the same thing and the officers who harassed and thretened him needed to be fired.
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PO1 Timothy Strunk
You would have done the same thing? Then you would have received the same proper treatment from the police as this 2nd Lt received.
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Maj Pat Dominic
LCpl Joseph Gilroy - Yes, I do. Go Pro Hero cam . . . the go-to kit for hi-def 1 million dollar fake victim lawsuits, just like the one that this LT filed.
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If I was his Base Commander I would have reigned "unholy fire" on that entire department for treating a military officer in that manner. The silence of the military is deafening which means to an extent they are condoning by not publicly defending and supporting him. After they approached that vehicle and his hands were outside that vehicle with a reasonable explanation as to why he continued to a well-lit location they should've stood the f@##% down. They were not looking for any vehicle fitting that description, they walked past the plate in the rear window, they could give a sh$%t about his uniform and his service, he expressed as a military officer he was afraid for his life and they confirmed that he wasn't incorrect to think that way, they sprayed him out of GP, put him on the ground with no evidence of resistance, or provocation. He was the most polite abused individual I've ever seen. He listened to every command, tried to deescalate, attempted to request a commanding officer, posed no threat of any kind, for every idiot that says just do what they tell you; if they tell you that you're going to die still comply? If it was me combined with my combat PTSD I'd be dead, and it'd be my fault...
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PO1 Timothy Strunk
MAJ Byron Oyler - I believe you are referring to what is called Arm Chair Quarterbacking. I bet most of these people doing this also could have told the 49ers everything they should have done and won the super bowl if only they had been their coach ;)
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CPT Victor J. Lewis
I understand your fear has you both seeming as though two officers with guns drawn, barking unintelligible orders to a military officer, the current climate, the pepper spray, the back up, the lack of a superior officer, the inability to deescalate, that seatbelt must have been hella intimidating, his tears and begging resounded of a threat you and the arresting officers were unmoved by and seemed murderous by intent. He should’ve stayed on that dark road, seen your lights and you walking up with guns drawn and you know damn well that safety was off or don’t unholster that weapon, he should’ve then busted that door open at lightening speed and flew into a front lean and rest and then everyone would have been comfortable checking his paperwork and sending him on his way. Yeah the only problem is arm chair quarterbacking is extremely effective when witnessing incompetence. Just say they were afraid, and you would have been afraid also, so both of you are in agreement with the actions taken. I’d rather hear the truth...you’re definitely not a combat vet with that bs.
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CPT Victor J. Lewis
And we can do this all day, because I’m here for it. Consider this we can disagree until the cows come home, if it gets heated, no problem, no rank, back of the barracks and sort it. I’ve done that more times than I care to confess, but at the end of the day those NCO’s were my brothers in arms and no organization, especially a poorly trained paramilitary one could separate our brotherhood. You seem to have more allegiance to the local police than the armed forces. If that was you or anyone else I’d feel this way, not because you’re right but because you’re family. We sort our own, we have laws rules and regulations to discipline our own, we train our own, we stand with our own, defend, and protect our own, we honor our own, we promote, demote and correct our own. That makes it easy to determine who’s heart is not for our own...
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CPT Victor J. Lewis
And yes after I recovered his dumb non ordering following ass back to the base I would have pulverized him, but “I” would have pulverized him, he’s government issue not local issue.
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