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State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf has stated that the Middle East needs more job opportunities to remove the threat of groups such as ISIS and that killing them will not beat them.
I both agree and disagree with this statement, where if better opportunities existed within the Middle East there would be less individuals fighting with the terrorists, but at the same time, we must remove ISIS to allow those jobs to even been created.
What do you all think?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/17/marie-harf-state-department-on-islamic-state-cant-/
I both agree and disagree with this statement, where if better opportunities existed within the Middle East there would be less individuals fighting with the terrorists, but at the same time, we must remove ISIS to allow those jobs to even been created.
What do you all think?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/17/marie-harf-state-department-on-islamic-state-cant-/
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This topic reminds me of something I read once, and I agree with it:
A friend of mine from Texas explained it all to me. "Here in West Texas I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us. I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch. I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway. In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter.
"I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison.
I don't stop to wonder why a rattlesnake will bite me. I know it will bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what rattlesnakes do.
I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake. I just kill it. I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me. I just kill them.
I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see it I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me, and (b) I already know they live on my place. So I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one.
I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake---I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time. Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes. Do I fear them? No!
Do I respect what they can do to me? Yes! And because of that respect I give them the fair justice they deserve...I kill them.
Maybe as a country we should start giving more thought to the fact that these jihadists' are just being like rattlesnakes - and act accordingly!"
A friend of mine from Texas explained it all to me. "Here in West Texas I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us. I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch. I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway. In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter.
"I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison.
I don't stop to wonder why a rattlesnake will bite me. I know it will bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what rattlesnakes do.
I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake. I just kill it. I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me. I just kill them.
I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see it I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me, and (b) I already know they live on my place. So I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one.
I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake---I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time. Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes. Do I fear them? No!
Do I respect what they can do to me? Yes! And because of that respect I give them the fair justice they deserve...I kill them.
Maybe as a country we should start giving more thought to the fact that these jihadists' are just being like rattlesnakes - and act accordingly!"
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Capt Jeff S.
This is a story from Aesop's Fables that our leaders might could take to heart:
The Man Bitten by a Dog
A Man who had been bitten by a Dog went about in quest of someone who might heal him. A friend, meeting him and learning what he wanted, said, “If you would be cured, take a piece of bread, and dip it in the blood from your wound, and go and give it to the Dog that bit you.” The Man who had been bitten laughed at this advice and said, “Why? If I should do so, it would be as if I should beg every Dog in the town to bite me.”
Benefits bestowed upon the evil-disposed increase their means of injuring you.
Translated by George Fyler Townsend. Aesop's Fables (p. 34). Amazon Digital Services, Inc..
The Man Bitten by a Dog
A Man who had been bitten by a Dog went about in quest of someone who might heal him. A friend, meeting him and learning what he wanted, said, “If you would be cured, take a piece of bread, and dip it in the blood from your wound, and go and give it to the Dog that bit you.” The Man who had been bitten laughed at this advice and said, “Why? If I should do so, it would be as if I should beg every Dog in the town to bite me.”
Benefits bestowed upon the evil-disposed increase their means of injuring you.
Translated by George Fyler Townsend. Aesop's Fables (p. 34). Amazon Digital Services, Inc..
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You know, I hate to say, but I think the Obama cabinet was hired from Head n ASS University! They come out with some of the stupidest comments I have heard since I was in Kindergarten! The POTUS should be really embarrassed to hell and back!
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Capt Jeff S.
He's too much of a narcissist to let things embarrass him to hell. Some might argue he's so far gone, he's already there. The only thing he worries about these days is whether or not he's going to get run up on charges or pardoned after his term is up. As much as I'd like to see him impeached, he can delay and obfuscate long enough to finish out his term. And besides, I don't think Congress wants to deal with a bunch of idiots rioting because their "Dear Leader" was impeached.
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Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay
I've heard the same said about former President G.W. Bush. The Power comes from the respect of the people.
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As he said...terrorists have jobs...they get paid to cut off heads...
http://video.foxnews.com/v/ [login to see] 001/#sp=show-clips
http://video.foxnews.com/v/ [login to see] 001/#sp=show-clips
Man who killed UBL: Terrorists already have jobs: They're paid to cut off heads
Former Navy SEAL Rob O'Neill on State Dept. spokesperson's job solution for combating terrorists and what it will take to defeat ISIS
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they even have a spokesperson who doesn't make assinine statements, then go back on the air the next day after all the flak & say that we are just too dumb to understand the subtleties of what she was trying to convey.
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Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay
I could probably do that sort of job too. Once I shut-off my sense of empathy why would I ever want to turn it back on? These days I just dial it down when I'm not teaching in the classroom, but it still exacts its toll on me.
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I would agree, but with one amendment. We cannot win by killing them under our current ROE. Allow the military 6 months of "weapons free" status and the whole issue will be resolved promptly.
Our wars linger not because we lack the ability to win, but because we lack the stomach to do what it takes to win.. War is an ugly thing. It should be done as efficiently and devestatingly as possible so that it can be put behind us quickly. To wage war with half measures is to wage perpetual war..
Our wars linger not because we lack the ability to win, but because we lack the stomach to do what it takes to win.. War is an ugly thing. It should be done as efficiently and devestatingly as possible so that it can be put behind us quickly. To wage war with half measures is to wage perpetual war..
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CPT Zachary Brooks
Completely agree on this. The ROE has become too namby pamby and is therefore neutering our ability to attack these problems correctly.
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Because I'm now a retiree and served in actual combat, I can happily say that this 'president' and administration is FUBAR. And, a bunch of assholes. The end!
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Sgt Mark Ramos
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, our brother and sisters who still wear the uniform can't, or at least shouldn't, be so open and honest.
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She may be right, we cannot "beat" ISIS by killing them. Just as much as you cannot "beat" crime with bigger jails, although true it doesn't mean that crime should go unpunished and we should completely disregard justice. The "root" problem may be their poor economy, but the crimes against those who oppose their ideology is the real problem the world is facing today. I don't think anyone has ever said that killing ISIS would solve the sociopolitical and economical issues of the region or that it would solve the root causes that allowed ISIS to rise in the first place, that would be incredibly naive and it would be just as naive to believe that we can defeat ISIS without killing them. We could talk for years about all the layers and intricacies of this problem and debate ideologies and strategies until they come knocking on our front door once again and America suddenly remembers what the word JUSTICE means.
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She is right there in all her glory. She also said essentially that we were all too stupid to understand.
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LTC (Join to see)
Its the paradox of stupid people. They actually think they are smart, thus the audacity to be sanctimonious and condescend.
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To me...It seems this administration tries it's best to reward the bad and punish the good.
In other words, If you want something from the United States....Just go out, find a bunch of Christians, chop their head off, burn their body, then turn around and ask the Liberals Gimmie something.....and as gushey poo liberals are...they'll give them whatever they want.
I'm sorry, lil off subject....am I the only one here that notices a open hostility towards Christians and Jews?
In other words, If you want something from the United States....Just go out, find a bunch of Christians, chop their head off, burn their body, then turn around and ask the Liberals Gimmie something.....and as gushey poo liberals are...they'll give them whatever they want.
I'm sorry, lil off subject....am I the only one here that notices a open hostility towards Christians and Jews?
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Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay
It's hard to see the big picture. I hang with a group that sees the opposite of what you see. Frustration can lead to violence which is a quick fix, but lets keep the lines of communication open. Truth is the first casualty of war.
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GySgt Lucian J Caldara
Ramon, I see you are practicing that, now.
I have yet to meet a violent person/nation who responded to the "let's be nice" approach. You have to hurt them to get their attention... Then you can discuss the options.
I have yet to meet a violent person/nation who responded to the "let's be nice" approach. You have to hurt them to get their attention... Then you can discuss the options.
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Lots of excess body bags need ISIS fillers! Perfect position for some of my favorite dirt bags
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Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay
You may be able to dial up or down your sense of empathy when you need to, but it would still exact a toll on you. And if you think you can turn on and off your sense of empathy why would you want to turn it back on?
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Better yet, we spend all this money fighting them, us do a reverse ISIS. Since we know they pay for fighters, us just pay them to fight for us. Put our money to good use.
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Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay
Crazy, but true. Someone said war is the poor and uneducated of one country killing-off the poor and uneducated of another for the profit of the rich and powerful. Two-time MOH recpient, Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler wrote, "War is a Racket."
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