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I don't even wear my CAB. The purpose behind the award is lost. I know and my soldiers now what I have been through, I have nothing to prove to anyone.
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I agree that you opened yourself up to scrutiny, but I wouldn't have chewed you out, personally. I would have inquired as to what the deal was. But EOF in mind, simply asking the question usually suffices.
Since you earned your CAB in combat, you should be wearing your combat patch....just my opinion.
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You have everything else, why can't you just put the patch on ! I have 3 different combat patches I can wear and I don't have a fancy 'Hand Grenade Badge' (CAB) due to someone screwing up the paperwork. Anyway, Is it you cant afford the patch or you're just being a 'Richard Cranium' ??
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I got my 82nd Airborne(Airborne Alcoholics) combat patch and 2 others. 82nd is only one I wore because it was the one I was most proud of even though I was never awarded anything. I was a fuel guy in an infantry unit. Anyone that wasn't infantry didn't get awards. You got coins and handshakes if you where non-infantry no matter how many missions you went on. Plus they didn't have a the CAB when I was with them. I didn't get one till my 3rd deployment when I was with the 1st Cav. got my golden spurs as well.
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It is not in the regulation, however "Left Must Equal Right." How can you have a CAB if you don't have a deployment patch?
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Not according to AR 670-1
If you do it you are basically saying "I'm showing off that I understand the regulations and want to piss of SNCOs."
If you do it you are basically saying "I'm showing off that I understand the regulations and want to piss of SNCOs."
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SSG Demetrius Davis
I would have to disagree with you Sir. Deciding not to wear an SSI-FWTS does not necessarily mean a soldier is trying to piss anyone off. Not saying that is never the case but why should it piss off anyone that someone is exercising their right afforded to them by any AR?
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It isn't required -- as you know. SSI–FWTS (combat patch) are optional. Would it raise an eyebrow, possibly. However, a simple question would alleviate it (who did you deploy with?). During my last rotation with a Reserve Battalion I know quite a few people who don't wear their patch. For those that received a CAB -- they'd probably put more weight/meaning on the CAB than the unit itself.
As for being questioned about SSI–FWTS -- I always enjoy wearing my "special snowflake" patch from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF-FWD). Definitely have gotten quite a few questions about that, and even told to take it off once (even after showing the exception to policy signed by the G1).
As for being questioned about SSI–FWTS -- I always enjoy wearing my "special snowflake" patch from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force (MEF-FWD). Definitely have gotten quite a few questions about that, and even told to take it off once (even after showing the exception to policy signed by the G1).
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I served with an NCO who had to be ordered to wear his CIB. He had reasons for not wearing it that were completely understandable. Personally, I think he should have been allowed to not wear his CIB but our commander disagreed.
I can understand why someone would be suspicious of a CAB and no unit patch though. How do you have one without the other? I'd expect more of that until you slap on a unit patch or remove the CAB.
I can understand why someone would be suspicious of a CAB and no unit patch though. How do you have one without the other? I'd expect more of that until you slap on a unit patch or remove the CAB.
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I can't say I'm proud of the Brigade my company spent most of our deployments attached to, so I'd avoid that one. Pretty sure most of the company felt the same way.
However, we did fall under the 16th MP for that last bit of the deployment, and that's the one most of us wore after.
However, we did fall under the 16th MP for that last bit of the deployment, and that's the one most of us wore after.
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I think it's a great way to get unwanted attention from a senior NCO, but at the same time the regulation doesn't say anything about having to wear one with the other. I'm sure if you carried the regulation with you at all times and were willing to pull it out and inform the correcting official you'd be good, otherwise I would just wear the patch and avoid any unnecessary confrontation.
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You wear a C*B without a deploy patch and thems that gots them be looking all eyes askew with arm akimbo!
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why would you bring question upon yourself? if you got a cab, then you obviously got a combat patch. Just slap it on case closed.
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I know guys who wear their CAB minus the combat patch for various reasons. Some are proud of the unit they served with - others are not. I also know guys (and gals) who don't wear any of their badges and some that wear the one they are the most proud of. I do believe whoever hemmed you up was probably in the wrong unless there is a local commander's policy I am not aware of in your situation.
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SGT Anthony Bussing
i would NEVER wear my patch of the unit I was assigned to during Iraq....however our superior HQs I would CONSIDER...but as a national guard unit assigned to an active BDE and that unit was chewed up...there is no way in HELL I would wear it...Ill stick with my 1st MarDiv
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We ended up with dueling colonels arguing over whose patch we would wear. The only patch we were authorized to wear was our immediate higher - 1st MEB. 7th Sustainment Brigade commander wanted everone to wear his so he issued an official order for everyones record that we would wear his patch ONLY. I hear people talk of Guard units being ate up - but watching the dueling colonels leads me to think something else. For the record - I wear the 1st Maneuver Enhancement Brigade patch.
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Wearing a "combat patch" means you were assighned to a certian geographic area during a certain period of time Wearing a combat action badgeyou enguaged with the enemy in some sort of described manner and you could have sustained some sort of injury. Other words in a certain area everyone get to wear a shoulder patch but similar to the CIB only a few get the CAB and it is not MOS restricted.
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I am retired.Retired March 1 1982 Army
They can’t find my DD214 can anyone help me?
They can’t find my DD214 can anyone help me?
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SSG Trevor S.
Did you put it in the county records? Back then it was often the advice given to ETSing/ retiring troops. If that isn't the case, try contacting records at https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Army%20Personnel%20Records%20Division
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SGT Greg Welch
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There is nothing in the reg that states you have to wear your combat patch with your cab but it does have a clause in it that says the Aproving Authority for your unit can add stipulations to the minimum requirements. My recomendation to you is to talk with your command and find out what the policy is on your post for the wear of the CAB.
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Slap the damn patch on. The Army ain't Burger King - you can't have it your own way. If not expect a counseling statement.
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SSG Demetrius Davis
Things must and always change. Nothing wrong with an opinion about what you should and should not wear, why or why you shouldn't wear it but that is all it is, an opinion. What it all should boil down to is what does the regulation say. I understand esprit to corps, tradition, values, etc but the army has and is changing and many units are as different as night and day. Some units stick to Army tradition and not only promote equality and fairness but also practice it and, as I am sure most would agree, some units do not. In one of my units (I won't say which one) the only thing that mattered to the senior leadership was that NCOER/OER, what would make this unit look better or stand out from other units like us. Decisions, plans, and the like were made with no consideration for soldier morale. Most, not all, leaders are quick to slap UCMJ on a soldier for violating a regulation without mercy, why must some leaders also try to slam a soldier for following regulations, just because you disagree with it?
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MAJ Keira Brennan
No, I don't disagree with anything you wrote there. I guess I just fall back on the concept of wearing what was awarded and never was a fan of mixing and matching. I grew up in the peacetime army from 1987 - 2001 (other thank DS/Balkans). Half my 2nd half career was in USASOC so believe me I saw the burger king standards there. I think the uniformity deal ties into esprit de corps and all that. But I wont disagree with you because you are serving and I am retired. Your observations sound spot on.
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MSG Antwine Marshall
That counseling statement would be shredded as soon the Soldier takes it to Legal or their Battallion Command.
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SPC Eric Cunningham
I gotta agree with the SFC. I really don't think I have much to add to his comment.
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