Posted on Oct 19, 2017
What are the red lines in terms of relationships between Officers and Officer Candidates?
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Is an officer allowed to date an officer candidate (OC) even if they both are in the same platoon? (The officer being the platoon leader). What should be done if the officer puts in awards for the OC for things he/she did not do?
I wasn’t able to find regulations on this.
I wasn’t able to find regulations on this.
Officer Candidate
Officers
Fraternization
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I suggest reading through the Federal OCS handbook for clarification: http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry/199th/ocs/content/pdf/OCSOP.pdf
Generally speaking, romantic relationships formed during Officer Candidate School is frowned upon. Candidate-Candidate relationships and Candidate-Cadre relationships are explicitly forbidden. Anything else that falls outside of fraternization would still be ill-advised. OCS is only a limited amount of time; love can wait.
Generally speaking, romantic relationships formed during Officer Candidate School is frowned upon. Candidate-Candidate relationships and Candidate-Cadre relationships are explicitly forbidden. Anything else that falls outside of fraternization would still be ill-advised. OCS is only a limited amount of time; love can wait.
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"What should be done if the officer puts in awards for the OC for things he/she did not do? "
A quite and simple conversation..
Sir, you can fix this, or I can.......Do the right thing because its the right thing to do, or I will follow that same idea and this will get fixed in spite of you, not because of.
A quite and simple conversation..
Sir, you can fix this, or I can.......Do the right thing because its the right thing to do, or I will follow that same idea and this will get fixed in spite of you, not because of.
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I am almost positive it is fraternization and punishable under UCMJ. when you become a second lieutenant ,you are Honorably Discharged as your prior rank you still have to serve the remainder of your term in this case as a National Guard officer like me it was 6 years in the National Guard and 2 years in the inactive ready reserve I don't know if it's changed since 1996.
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LTC Stephen Conway
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You can't talk to your Tac or to a chaplain? You have a chain of command unless the common. Says you have an open door policy. This is a tough call because you don't want to get screwed out of OCS due to peer evaluation that could get you kicked out if everyone doesn't like you even if you're doing the right thing. I would not discuss it with others. I would go to the OCS chaplain first and ask for guidance. Sometimes the chaplain can talk people behind the scenes and make Corrections or recommendations.
You can't talk to your Tac or to a chaplain? You have a chain of command unless the common. Says you have an open door policy. This is a tough call because you don't want to get screwed out of OCS due to peer evaluation that could get you kicked out if everyone doesn't like you even if you're doing the right thing. I would not discuss it with others. I would go to the OCS chaplain first and ask for guidance. Sometimes the chaplain can talk people behind the scenes and make Corrections or recommendations.
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The cadre are saying that there’s no regulation saying it’s not allowed. I showed them the proof of AR 600-20 and DA PAM 600-30. They don’t believe anything I said.
Keep in mind I’m not in OCS yes. This is just a unit that has all OC’s in it and we train to prepare for OCS
Keep in mind I’m not in OCS yes. This is just a unit that has all OC’s in it and we train to prepare for OCS
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The relationship between a TAC Officer and the Candidate is the same as between a Drill Sergeant and a Basic Trainee. Yes, it's fraternizing and Yes, it's a violation of the honor code. I don't know of any situation where dating a subordinate is kosher.
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SGT (Join to see) "You Touch Me Like You Know Me" Robin Williams "Reality What a Concept" His First Album, I'm Sorry I Couldn't Help Myself.
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I agree with SSG (Join to see). An OC is an enlisted person in an Army school. It might be different if they had a prior relationship (engagement/marriage).
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1LT (Join to see)
Oh yeah - the same PLT caveat is indeed a no-go; I'm sure that extends to the same schoolhouse.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SSG (Join to see) - But the unit SOP for OCS prohibits fraternization from ANY of the permanent party cadre and any of the Candidates, regardless of unit of assignment. My guess is that if, or more likely, when the Commandant finds out, people will be looking for new careers. I believe they like to term it this way ""has compromised the chain of command, resulted in the appearance of partiality, or otherwise undermined good order, discipline, authority, or morale,".
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This is a VERY CLEAR DRAWN LINE. Keep the relationship professional at ALL TIMES. No dating of any kind can be conducted between an Officer and an OC. This is clearly fraternization Especially in the same Platoon. If the Officer is showing favoritism or worse lying about awards earned by an OC, bring it up the chain. Simple as that.
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That question needed to be asked? The officer’s military education failed him!
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I told the officer his lack of discipline should be embarrassing to him because it’s embarrassing to the unit lol straight to his face
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Your answer is in your sentence, officer candidate is not and officer, just like a Specialist promotable is not a Noncommissioned officer.
Regarding the awards, I would attempt to resolve it at the lowest level. If this isn’t resolved then, utilize the chain of command and their open door policy.
Regarding the awards, I would attempt to resolve it at the lowest level. If this isn’t resolved then, utilize the chain of command and their open door policy.
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