Posted on Aug 28, 2020
What are y'alls opinions on escalation of force for Police Departments?
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Im writing a paper for a class on the Jacob Blake shooting on what could have been done differently. After reviewing relevant fact on the matter, do you believe the escalation of force used in the shooting was justified or not and why?
Can we link these to the perceived "systemic racism" and the George Floyd/Breonna Taylor cases?
Please provide justified responses and examples of what could or could not have been done differently.
Can we link these to the perceived "systemic racism" and the George Floyd/Breonna Taylor cases?
Please provide justified responses and examples of what could or could not have been done differently.
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 58
After leaving the Army, I served as a law enforcement officer (17 years). I can say that officers are trained to use only the force necessary to effect an arrest. Most police officers do not want to use deadly force, but they are trained to do so to protect themselves and others. The loss of life is tragic, but in most cases can be prevented if the person would simply comply with the police, don't resist, don't reach for ANYTHING, especially a weapon. In the Blake shooting and in the Floyd death, both individuals had a criminal record, both had a history of disregard for the law and the safety and peace of the public. They made a decision to resist. It is tragic, but it has nothing to do with race. The big issue here is the media reporting unproven facts, and sometimes skewing the incident in order to make money. The solution here is simple and obvious- if you don't want to go to jail, if you don't want to risk an altercation with a police officer, the do not break the law- period.
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I be clear about this event.
Officers has a responsibility to protect themself regardless & they don’t wake up thinking they are going to kill a Black or Hispanic man therefore racism is a excuse by this ppl.
Jacob Blake had a knife in hand & if you read the report he was about to get another one inside the truck. They should had shot his dumb ass twice not 7 time.
George Floyd, if you really watch the tape, he refused to get in the vehicle and he was high on drugs.
You cannot blame an officer who is trying to put the knee on someone’s neck to calm a person down because it was his training.
Breonna Taylor was delivering drugs from allocation therefore this officers should identify as officers with a Warren.
I don’t believe in no Warren nock.
Officers has a responsibility to protect themself regardless & they don’t wake up thinking they are going to kill a Black or Hispanic man therefore racism is a excuse by this ppl.
Jacob Blake had a knife in hand & if you read the report he was about to get another one inside the truck. They should had shot his dumb ass twice not 7 time.
George Floyd, if you really watch the tape, he refused to get in the vehicle and he was high on drugs.
You cannot blame an officer who is trying to put the knee on someone’s neck to calm a person down because it was his training.
Breonna Taylor was delivering drugs from allocation therefore this officers should identify as officers with a Warren.
I don’t believe in no Warren nock.
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There is no excuse for shooting someone in the back.
That’s all. It’s actually that easy.
That’s all. It’s actually that easy.
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SSG Brian G.
SFC (Join to see) - No one said it did. YOU made claims that were easily rebutted with but a few key strokes.
Who died? Oh that is you not paying attention and making statements again. No one is apologizing, merely stating FACTS. You know those pesky things that you seem devoid of while you were so busy telling people they were wrong and incorrect... and later ate your foot on.
Who died? Oh that is you not paying attention and making statements again. No one is apologizing, merely stating FACTS. You know those pesky things that you seem devoid of while you were so busy telling people they were wrong and incorrect... and later ate your foot on.
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SSG Brian G.
SFC (Join to see) - No need for a video... simple picture says it all. Note the back is turned and the arm is rotated around where he is firing behind himself. Ooops. That is normal range of motion for NORMAL human beings.
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SSG Brian G. Not really interested in this, as I’ve already said. You seem quite happy justifying the killing of American citizens (who didn’t do this by the way.
But do me a favor. Take your hands on front of you, and then act like you’re doing flys. They’re not going to reach behind you. There’s a reason this person is wearing a coat in this picture. It’s hiding the fact that he’s significantly turned. Either way, have a good one. Muting.
But do me a favor. Take your hands on front of you, and then act like you’re doing flys. They’re not going to reach behind you. There’s a reason this person is wearing a coat in this picture. It’s hiding the fact that he’s significantly turned. Either way, have a good one. Muting.
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SSG Brian G.
SFC (Join to see) - You are the one sitting back being negative and keep claiming people are incorrect and wrong in things, and keep getting proven that you are wrong.
That is twice now you have out and out told that lie. Please show where I justified killing anyone? Oh wait, THAT never happened and you are flat out wrong and lied.
You clearly are blind or are just dishonest. Anyone with a pair of functioning and eyes and a brain can see that the person in the coat is not in any way significantly turned. How about this, you stop being dishonest. I know, I know... hard thing for you to do as you seem to be one of those types that makes excuses, and outright lies. The guy in the coat has his arm rotated around behind him... that is clear as day.
That is twice now you have out and out told that lie. Please show where I justified killing anyone? Oh wait, THAT never happened and you are flat out wrong and lied.
You clearly are blind or are just dishonest. Anyone with a pair of functioning and eyes and a brain can see that the person in the coat is not in any way significantly turned. How about this, you stop being dishonest. I know, I know... hard thing for you to do as you seem to be one of those types that makes excuses, and outright lies. The guy in the coat has his arm rotated around behind him... that is clear as day.
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The predominance of legal authority outlawing racism and discrimination defies any claim of "systemic racism" and the lack of sheer numbers of police cases points to bad or untrained cops.
One policeman shooting him seven times is more the act of an untrained/unprepared/rookie than "kill him because he is black." Note that the other officers present did not shoot.
One policeman shooting him seven times is more the act of an untrained/unprepared/rookie than "kill him because he is black." Note that the other officers present did not shoot.
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SSG Brian G.
Nope, the fact he shot him seven times does not indicate untrained or unprepared. He actually was prepared and trained well and followed that training. Training says once lethal force is employed you keep employing it until the threat is neutralized or removed. He fired until Blake stopped resisting and was not a threat. The others present did not have a clear shooting lane that would not endanger the officer or the children in the car.
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Over the past 40 or so years I've seen police forces in America become more like military units. The Reagan administration began allowing police departments to purchase used military vehicles and equipment designed for military use. Many American neighborhoods have watched them roll up their streets looking and acting like the military. When the police serve a search warrant they move in with numbers and have no problem crashing through the front door. If you're a 6 year old who watched 5 or 6 police officers in full battle gear body slam your 17 year old unarmed brother for no apparent reason, I could understand how the police have looked like the enemy. So when I hear people say "Just comply, do what the police tell you to do" to avoid being shot and everything will be just fine, I'm stunned by how naive people can be. The guy in Kenosha was shot 7 times in the back. By one officer. No, I wasn't there and didn't witness it but this looks bad from the get go. So we have entire neighborhoods who view the police as their enemy and undertrained and under vetted police in armored vehicles imposing their will. There's no way for this situation to end well.
Regarding systemic racism, it should be remembered that police forces in southern states got their start as runaway slave catchers. When other factors such as creating laws specifically targeting the black population, the continued active presence of hate groups like the KKK and what I've seen with my own eyes makes denying systemic racism absurd.
Regarding systemic racism, it should be remembered that police forces in southern states got their start as runaway slave catchers. When other factors such as creating laws specifically targeting the black population, the continued active presence of hate groups like the KKK and what I've seen with my own eyes makes denying systemic racism absurd.
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You mean the asshat, domestic abuser, that resisted arrest and ignored all the police commands and reached into his vehicle for who knows what before getting shot? While 7 shots may have been a bit excessive, he should have done what he was told.
This is what could have been done differently. Blake could have lived his life better and not been a criminal. He could have treated his girlfriend, or wife and kids with respect.
I have never heard a story where an elderly, black couple get pulled over for a light out and get shot or beaten by the police. It always turns out to be some delinquent in the commission of a crime or with a criminal past resisting and disobeying the police. George Floyd was a criminal! If he wasn't on drugs and hadn't robbed the store and resisted he might still be alive. I say might because he died from all the shit he had in his system, namely lethal amount of fentanyl. Breonna Taylor had bad taste in men. Her boyfriend shot at police, blindly, through a door. Do you think that they would not fire back? But blame the police. Burning cities in the name of black criminals is stupid, especially when there are more white people killed by police.
It is a fact that police brutality is just a very small fraction of all police encounters. How about protesting all the crimes committed by blacks against anybody, even just black on black. I didn't see any protests over the black man walking out to the street and shooting his 5 yr old white neighbor in the head. No, that doesn't follow their ideology. After all, he was just another privileged white kid who didn't deserve their empathy because they only empathize with black criminals.
Again, don't engage in criminal activity if you don't want to find yourself in a situation where you have to be engaged by the police. And then, do what you are told and don't resist. Do you expect the police are just gonna let you go if you start to resist? Also, do you actually think that the police are going to wait for you to shoot them if they feel threatened already.
Act like a criminal, get treated like a criminal. As for systemic racism. BULL!!! Where is the racism when a black cop subdues or shoots a black criminal? Just a matter of cop vs criminal. No matter what color they are. Only in a very few altercations is it a race matter. It's just that BLM and the media make a race thing out of everything that involves a black person. Like black people can't possibly break the law. I swear that these people would rather a black man get away with murdering a child than be arrested by police.
Why is it perceived that blacks are targeted more than whites? Most whites are raised to respect police and to have certain morals and behave in a manner that is acceptable to society. Blacks seem to be groomed to hate police, and white people, therefore growing up believing that they are victims and the only way to live is to victimize others.
No one ever seems to suggest a change in the attitude and behavior in the criminals. Only blame the police for doing their job. They also choose to teach hatred for whites and police instead of how to be a productive member of society. Ever see the video of the little black boy running to hug the little white boy? Proof that racism and hate are taught. These two boys haven't yet been indoctrinated by those who hate. Hopefully they will never be exposed to that.
This is what could have been done differently. Blake could have lived his life better and not been a criminal. He could have treated his girlfriend, or wife and kids with respect.
I have never heard a story where an elderly, black couple get pulled over for a light out and get shot or beaten by the police. It always turns out to be some delinquent in the commission of a crime or with a criminal past resisting and disobeying the police. George Floyd was a criminal! If he wasn't on drugs and hadn't robbed the store and resisted he might still be alive. I say might because he died from all the shit he had in his system, namely lethal amount of fentanyl. Breonna Taylor had bad taste in men. Her boyfriend shot at police, blindly, through a door. Do you think that they would not fire back? But blame the police. Burning cities in the name of black criminals is stupid, especially when there are more white people killed by police.
It is a fact that police brutality is just a very small fraction of all police encounters. How about protesting all the crimes committed by blacks against anybody, even just black on black. I didn't see any protests over the black man walking out to the street and shooting his 5 yr old white neighbor in the head. No, that doesn't follow their ideology. After all, he was just another privileged white kid who didn't deserve their empathy because they only empathize with black criminals.
Again, don't engage in criminal activity if you don't want to find yourself in a situation where you have to be engaged by the police. And then, do what you are told and don't resist. Do you expect the police are just gonna let you go if you start to resist? Also, do you actually think that the police are going to wait for you to shoot them if they feel threatened already.
Act like a criminal, get treated like a criminal. As for systemic racism. BULL!!! Where is the racism when a black cop subdues or shoots a black criminal? Just a matter of cop vs criminal. No matter what color they are. Only in a very few altercations is it a race matter. It's just that BLM and the media make a race thing out of everything that involves a black person. Like black people can't possibly break the law. I swear that these people would rather a black man get away with murdering a child than be arrested by police.
Why is it perceived that blacks are targeted more than whites? Most whites are raised to respect police and to have certain morals and behave in a manner that is acceptable to society. Blacks seem to be groomed to hate police, and white people, therefore growing up believing that they are victims and the only way to live is to victimize others.
No one ever seems to suggest a change in the attitude and behavior in the criminals. Only blame the police for doing their job. They also choose to teach hatred for whites and police instead of how to be a productive member of society. Ever see the video of the little black boy running to hug the little white boy? Proof that racism and hate are taught. These two boys haven't yet been indoctrinated by those who hate. Hopefully they will never be exposed to that.
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