Posted on Jun 30, 2015
What are you thoughts on the removal of the 10 Commandments statue at the State Capitol in Oklahoma City?
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This is a complete outrage in my opinion! Do they really believe that removing the statue is necessary. I'm personally sick of everyone getting the darn feelings hurt of things are supposed to be in place. What is there thought process... If the statue isn't there they can do whatever they want. At the end God will take care of it all! I pray for healing in our Nation! God WE need your help!
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Although I am Pagan and don't particularly recognize the authority of any deity to establish moral codes, I do -somewhat-equate the removal of certain cultural symbols with the destruction of ancient religious artifacts in Iraq by the Islamic State...
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SSG (Join to see)
There are some critical differences though... separation of church and state doesn't exist there, the ancient religious artifacts were not purchased and installed by a politician in 2009 and it's not a member of that culture asking to have the monument removed. http://christiannews.net/2013/08/26/baptist-minister-suing-to-remove-ten-commandments-monument-from-oklahoma-state-capitol/
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LTC J. Lee Mudd
True, the specifics are quite different. Where I see the similarity is in the attempt to alter/obscure/erase perceptions of historical fact in the name of political and/or religious exigencies.
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CPT Pedro Meza
LTC J. Lee Mudd, Pagan! Ba, I have seen most Pagan obeying the 10 Commandments and following the teachings of the Jewish Man named Jesus better then those that profess Christianity.
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I'm just wondering how a statue can force religion on someone. Is the statute jumping out & grabbing said person? Is the statue proselytizing to said person? Just having the statue there is not the government proclaiming that it is the established religion of said State. In fact, modern law is based on Mosaic Law - that which is contained on the 10 Commandments.
To use a statement made by others, "If you don't like it, you can look the other way." But I guess that only applies to one group, not all.
To use a statement made by others, "If you don't like it, you can look the other way." But I guess that only applies to one group, not all.
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SSgt (Join to see)
I don't see it as a de facto endorsement. The State didn't pay for the monument. All they did was allow it to be on their grounds. By that rationale, are the headstones in Arlington a de facto endorsement of religion? They all have something denoting that particular on them.
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CPT Pedro Meza
A1C Nathan Roberts, The statue was put up in 2012 by a senator using religion and its detractors to win votes, in essence he use it for selfish reasons knowing that he was violating both US and State law. The Satanist Church responded by wanting to put up their Devil statue and that is where the fight begun. So using your reasoning both statues can be there.
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SSgt (Join to see)
So, what you're saying is that a legislator used private funds to do something in order to garner votes? Sounds about par for the course for legislators.
I never said that only one kind of statue can be displayed. I have made an observation about the Satanist statue's appearance in regards to the appearance of a statue of the 10 Commandments, but I'll leave that one on the other thread.
By state simply allowing a statue to be on their grounds is not that state endorsing anything. It is just the state allowing a group to display something on their property. An endorsement would be the state saying something to the effect of "We want this on our property because it espouses everything we believe & everything we think all others should believe."
I never said that only one kind of statue can be displayed. I have made an observation about the Satanist statue's appearance in regards to the appearance of a statue of the 10 Commandments, but I'll leave that one on the other thread.
By state simply allowing a statue to be on their grounds is not that state endorsing anything. It is just the state allowing a group to display something on their property. An endorsement would be the state saying something to the effect of "We want this on our property because it espouses everything we believe & everything we think all others should believe."
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I think it is ridiculous. The left wants it removed because they cannot adhere to the ten commandments...lol... :-)..No, but really. Come on....this has to stop. before we know it there will be nothing left of what was here...and there are many things that have been here for many many years.
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It makes me angry because I am a Christian and I love my God!!!!
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SPC Arlene Calixto-Campbell
My comment simply says that I do not like the removal of items that remind everyone that God Almighty created all things. I am angry that the world is so evil. God is being tossed to the side for our own corrupt ways. Jesus himself was angry in the temple because of corruption but He did sin in His anger. In my being angry about the statue being removed, I did not say anything offensive, nor did I rant or carry on unrighteously. I will stand for my God until the end of everything. If you don not like my comment then that is your right and it is also my right to my beliefs! After all that is why I signed on the dotted line for that right! Have a blessed day Sir and thank you for reminding me why I served for my country and why I continue to serve My God.
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SPC Arlene Calixto-Campbell
In all honesty he doesn't upset me! Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world. Thank you so much for your encouragement. I am confident that I will meet you on the other side SGT!!! Praying Gods blessings for you :)
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Personally, I say put it to a public vote. If 51% of voters want to keep it, it stays.
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LCDR (Join to see)
So, you want a majority rule to be the entirety of rule-of-law? Sounds pretty dangerous.
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I know one place, that had a christian preacher with a table in the city hall and he just offered free prayer.... an atheist complained.. The solution, they gave the atheist a table. Should we allow other religions to put displays on public property?
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SGT Jeremiah B.
That works great until the Church of Satan shows up and everyone gets a little freaked out. lol
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SPC George Rudenko
Not worried about wicca or satanists (they're an abysmally small %) but Scientology? SGT Jeremiah B. LTC Bink Romanick As LRH said, "Religion, that's where the money is"!
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My opinion is that it belongs on private instead of public property. Surely there is someone who can place it in a prominent location on private land. A less preferable alternative would be to encourage other religions to put up their own monument next to it.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
We've tried that in RI with Christmas displays and Menorahs on city land and still people get upset, IMHO, for the sole reason of pissing everyone off. Like the viewing of these things is so hideously intolerable and painful for those not of the faith.
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SSG (Join to see)
I agree that it is the less preferable alternative.
The best thing would be to simply avoid putting religious monuments on public land. I want a neutral government, a government that doesn't promote one persons religion over anothers or even one persons religion over no religion. It's a matter of principle, I have no issue walking into a Christian church when I'm visiting family... or even attending their services. I wouldn't care if all my Christian neighbors decided to build such monuments in their front yards... I just want my government to be truly neutral with regard to religion.
The best thing would be to simply avoid putting religious monuments on public land. I want a neutral government, a government that doesn't promote one persons religion over anothers or even one persons religion over no religion. It's a matter of principle, I have no issue walking into a Christian church when I'm visiting family... or even attending their services. I wouldn't care if all my Christian neighbors decided to build such monuments in their front yards... I just want my government to be truly neutral with regard to religion.
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I'm all for leaving it there as long as you are fine with installing muslim, buddhist, janist, jewish, and athesits monuments.
Also, what do you mean "if the statue isn't there they can do whatever they want"? Who are "they"?
I don't need any god's help. He/she/it has never provided any help since the beginning of recorded history. If you state a god has helped then you need to provide evidence. Any statement made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Also, of the 613 biblical commandments, the ten of which you speak are hardly moral. The only one on that list that has any real morality in society is "do not bare false witness". That is it. The others are immoral disgusting, abhorrent commands designed to instill a slave mentality and I want no part of it.
Also, what do you mean "if the statue isn't there they can do whatever they want"? Who are "they"?
I don't need any god's help. He/she/it has never provided any help since the beginning of recorded history. If you state a god has helped then you need to provide evidence. Any statement made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Also, of the 613 biblical commandments, the ten of which you speak are hardly moral. The only one on that list that has any real morality in society is "do not bare false witness". That is it. The others are immoral disgusting, abhorrent commands designed to instill a slave mentality and I want no part of it.
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Personally, I don't care about any religion. Either take it all down from public and government locations or keep it. But if they keep Christian verbiage, monuments, or whatever, don't bitch if other religions want to do the same thing.
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