Posted on Dec 31, 2017
What are your concerns towards the military's new policy with processing transgender applicants (stay professional)?
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Truly?
I think it is a nothing-burger.
The number of trans recruits at standard recruiting age is small to the point where one wonders what the win is.
Having said that, for the handful of qualified, trans recruits that are going to enter the system annually, they need to be treated fairly and with respect. The policy guidance as I read it addresses the possibility that recruiters apply their own personal beliefs to head off potential recruits that have transitioned, are in the process, or plan to do so. That is prudent guidance and the right thing to do.
I think it is a nothing-burger.
The number of trans recruits at standard recruiting age is small to the point where one wonders what the win is.
Having said that, for the handful of qualified, trans recruits that are going to enter the system annually, they need to be treated fairly and with respect. The policy guidance as I read it addresses the possibility that recruiters apply their own personal beliefs to head off potential recruits that have transitioned, are in the process, or plan to do so. That is prudent guidance and the right thing to do.
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SFC (Join to see)
Great response 1SG, and from my understanding we already have brothers and sisters who are already serving but hide their true self very well, and i can applaud them for that but they shouldn't have to.
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My thoughts on the issue don't matter. I do what I'm told to do by higher. I will continue to follow lawful orders until I believe those orders compromise my morals and my Christian faith. At that time I'll prepare myself for the repercussions that are sure to follow.
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....treat them like any other normal candidate, following established policy and guidelines concerning their Accession. Keep your personal feelings out of the equation, just like you would for any other candidate.
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While I think it's absurd to write regulations to accommodate such a small group, my reading of the guidance seem to say that they can serve as long as they don't actively try to alter their sex, which you could do before. Am I misunderstanding it?
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SFC (Join to see) - Then my question goes to the medical side. You can't enlist on an initial enlistment if you are taking something simple like HBP meds, but it's my understanding that physical "transition" requires a schedule of hormones forever to maintain it. If that's the case, doesn't that effectively remove anyone that has underwent the gender change surgery?
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SFC (Join to see)
No sir, the waiver would allow them to take the meds, just as any other waiver for a condition that requires medication.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SFC (Join to see) - I'm not aware of any waivers for medications on initial enlistment. As I pointed out above, you can't get through MEPS if you take HBP meds even if it's well controlled and I don't know of anyone that had a waiver for that condition. So is there now exception to policy to allow transgenders to enlist while taking anabolic steriods?
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SFC (Join to see)
Sir,
You can’t get through MEPS, but it is routed through the perspective service authority, who can. Are you currently assigned to USAREC? If so it is in the USAREC messages on IKROME.
You can’t get through MEPS, but it is routed through the perspective service authority, who can. Are you currently assigned to USAREC? If so it is in the USAREC messages on IKROME.
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I served in the DADT period, and it was an eye opener to be told the truth when they left the service. But the point is and should be like anything else: If they do their job, serve honorably, work hard, don't hit on other troops- WHO CARES. The only point I would worry about is their deployablity status, and the fact if they enlist to go thru the changes, that is taking hard cash from the troops, programs and Vets needing healthcare. Let them pay for it themselves and then enter the service.
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I left the military when "Don't ask, don't tell" (DADT) was still in affect, so I pretty much have stayed out of those topics.
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Also I would like to mention that DOD did not okay this, the court system did because of a law suit.
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The current policy pretty much still makes it impossible to join. Have to be completely post op for 18 months with nothing but hormone medication. You also have to submit counseling and medical records. We all know what is usually in counseling records....
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My concern is that we are allowing people with an identified mental illness into our ranks.
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The biggest concern for many is their deployability or not. If they're going through the transition, they're non-deployable. Non-deployable soldiers is something that SMA Dailey said was the biggest problem with the Army. Also, when you have suicide rates of 46% for trans men and 42% for trans women, that presents another concern.
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CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr.
If the military maintains its current medical qualification policies, an actively transitioning transgender person will/would not qualify for enlistment any more than an epileptic or asthmatic would. Standards are standards. Enforce them.
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SFC (Join to see)
i understand that, but they will not be permanently non-deployable. What is that suicide rate tied to, is it the dysphoria, or is it tied to not being widely accepted and not knowing who they really are?
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SPC David Willis
Lets kick out every pregnant woman, or every soldier with a broken leg while were at it!
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