Posted on Mar 28, 2014
What are your opinions on having all courts-martials and Article 15 readings be open for training purposes?
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At this time these events are considered public events and any one can watch them, however, my question is does anyone think that by making these events mandatory for the Soldiers in the unit to observe, either on a specific day or by substituting a training session for observance of this event, it would in any way deter criminal behavior in a unit?
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Doesn't really matter. I got an ART 15 once when I was a PFC. It took over a month to go through. When it did, I knocked on the commanders door, reported ... got read my Art 15, got dismissed ....
It wasn't embarrassing. No one insulted me or degraded me. It was probably one of the most formal things I wouldn't expect to be formal. Later, my commander and 1sg pulled me aside and told me this wasn't the end. It was a slip up, and I would recover. I did. 2 weeks later my extra duty finished, like it never happened.
It wasn't embarrassing. No one insulted me or degraded me. It was probably one of the most formal things I wouldn't expect to be formal. Later, my commander and 1sg pulled me aside and told me this wasn't the end. It was a slip up, and I would recover. I did. 2 weeks later my extra duty finished, like it never happened.
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No it should not be made mandatory for soldiers to attended, everyone entering the service receives training on the UCMJ system and that concerns judicial and non-judicial punishments
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CW4 Craig Urban
I got a article 15 once in Germany. 5 k over the speed limit. Got a verbal counsel. What a joke.
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<p>This is a very touchy subject... Are there things to be learned from these...YES. Is it really necessary to completely embarrass a Soldier while they are at their lowest already for what might have been a simple mistake, in front of their peers...NO</p>
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SFC Timothy Riser
SSG MBOUP, I voted you down as you called it of my own accord not anything to do with SGT Riser, I do not agree with your statement.Â
If you ever believe that I would merely dislike your post on the grounds that you did not agree with SGT Riser's please understand that when it concerns work and the military we do not do that, SGT Riser would disagree with me immediately if I posted something she disagreed with.Â
I also believe the last comment about being originators husband is a personal attack. If you think you need to withhold your comments simply because someone might judge you for it lends credence to my point that if they were public for all to see you would not be afraid to speak your mind and develop an NCO backbone.
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SSG Bane,Â
I had to just stop laughing. I swear I made that comment about Air Defenders because of my last unit and because my husband is an Air Defender. I then clicked on your name when I saw you used the word "battery" and thought to myself, "what are the odds?" We were both 5-5 prior to arrival here at Sill. I wrote SEVERAL 15's while I was there!Â
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SFC (Join to see)
<p>Admitting your faults is one thing and I have no issues admitting mine. I honestly don't think I would still be in the Army if my issues were made public and I am sorry if that disturbs you. I actually almost opted to not re-enlist until my Assistant Squad leader sat me down and talked to me. And yes I tell my Soldiers about almost getting out and have an Art 15, because as Leaders we should be teaching Soldiers from our mistakes, and showing them what a true leader looks like...and to now retired SSG Johnson...Thank you for making me the Leader I am today. Again I apologize if my comments disturbed anyone, was just speaking on my own thoughts.</p><p><br></p>
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The Navy post theirs online every month from all over the world....I see it as a deterrent at best. Recruiting Command use to have a journal every quarter called Legal Eagle...however they discontinued it.
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They should not be made mandatory, court martials are the military version of the civillian justice system would you want everybody you work with to attend it and it be made public to evryone you know, article 15 should be handle the way they have always been handle within that soldiers chain of command.
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Personally I believe it takes away from the professionalism of the service along with the concept of dignity and respect for that soldier. Yes, they messed up (whether intentional or unintentional.) That doesn't make it right to violate the respect of that soldier (by the way, an Army value.)
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I don't think it should be mandatory. I do agree that there is much to learn from reviewing past cases - they do it in law schools. However, I think the names should be changed or the individual should be able to give consent.
It is to easy to form an opinion about someone when looking at a file. Unfortunately, no paperwork in the military is a complete representation of an individual but for some that is all they see or hear. The out come of the case my be in favor of the individual but when looking over the case you still will retain the memory that that individual was investigated for the incident. Having open cases could create a bias opinion before the individual has a chance to prove him/herself.
It is to easy to form an opinion about someone when looking at a file. Unfortunately, no paperwork in the military is a complete representation of an individual but for some that is all they see or hear. The out come of the case my be in favor of the individual but when looking over the case you still will retain the memory that that individual was investigated for the incident. Having open cases could create a bias opinion before the individual has a chance to prove him/herself.
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As an Article 15 is not an admission of guilt I think that they should be kept amongst the CoC and the troop. CM's are open to anyone already anyway so not really a lot to add to that. What I think should be done though is that all the CM findings and Article 15's should be published and distrubuted to service members as a deterence, kind of saying look at these people that are screwing up and we are catching them and punishing them. Publish the CM finding complete with names and everything, redact the names from Article 15's.
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It sure would be enlightening wouldn't it be. I love the sentiment but I was COMSPAWARSYSCOMs Washington DC's Master At Arms and it would just be wrong. Horrible Experience for all, Me Marching you down in front of the Chief of Staff, Little Bit of Ceremony than the "Man" Verbally Thrashing you and assigning punishment. Sometimes I wondered whether I was there to conduct ceremony or protect the accused from the Admiral coming across the podium to beat him. No there is a reason it is private which is good for all.
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IDK if the soldier got an Article 15 or not yet but there was an NCO who had a digression in regards to fraternization (not of a sexual nature). It was talked about publicly, he decided not to let the rumor mill do its thing, opting to tell what happened himself to half the battery. I feel that in itself was an excellent example of leadership. He was at least in part wrong and admitted to it, telling the soldiers to support their battle buddy and to not worry about it because it would distract from the mission.
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