Posted on Apr 2, 2014
What are your thoughts on Free Masons in the military?
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I do not make generalizations based on affiliations as we could say that everyone who is a veteran is a terrorist risk......just saying it has happened before and I personally do not think of myself as a terrorist.
As far as good olde boy system I have experienced more from groups of people that used to belong to a certain unit and moved over to another than through the Mason or other groups.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/?page=all
As far as good olde boy system I have experienced more from groups of people that used to belong to a certain unit and moved over to another than through the Mason or other groups.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/?page=all
Napolitano stands by controversial report
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday that she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report, which lists returning veterans among terrorist risks to the U.S.
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i am a prince hall mason and i am in the military try to understand this what do you mean by free masons
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From a website: Prince Hall Freemasonry
Main article: Prince Hall Freemasonry
Prince Hall Freemasonry exists because of the refusal of early American lodges to admit African-Americans. In 1775, an African-American named Prince Hall,[51] along with fourteen other African-Americans, was initiated into a British military lodge with a warrant from the Grand Lodge of Ireland, having failed to obtain admission from the other lodges in Boston. When the military Lodge left North America, those fifteen men were given the authority to meet as a Lodge, but not to initiate Masons. In 1784, these individuals obtained a Warrant from the Premier Grand Lodge of England (GLE) and formed African Lodge, Number 459. When the UGLE was formed in 1813, all U.S.-based Lodges were stricken from their rolls – due largely to the War of 1812. Thus, separated from both UGLE and any concordantly recognised U.S. Grand Lodge, African Lodge re-titled itself as the African Lodge, Number 1 – and became a de facto "Grand Lodge" (this Lodge is not to be confused with the various Grand Lodges on the Continent of Africa). As with the rest of U.S. Freemasonry, Prince Hall Freemasonry soon grew and organised on a Grand Lodge system for each state.[52]
Widespread segregation in 19th- and early 20th-century North America made it difficult for African-Americans to join Lodges outside of Prince Hall jurisdictions – and impossible for inter-jurisdiction recognition between the parallel U.S. Masonic authorities. By the 1980s such discrimination was a thing of the past, and today most U.S. Grand Lodges recognize their Prince Hall counterparts, and the authorities of both traditions are working towards full recognition.[53] The United Grand Lodge of England has no problem with recognising Prince Hall Grand Lodges.[54] While celebrating their heritage as lodges of black Americans, Prince Hall is open to all men regardless of race or religion
Main article: Prince Hall Freemasonry
Prince Hall Freemasonry exists because of the refusal of early American lodges to admit African-Americans. In 1775, an African-American named Prince Hall,[51] along with fourteen other African-Americans, was initiated into a British military lodge with a warrant from the Grand Lodge of Ireland, having failed to obtain admission from the other lodges in Boston. When the military Lodge left North America, those fifteen men were given the authority to meet as a Lodge, but not to initiate Masons. In 1784, these individuals obtained a Warrant from the Premier Grand Lodge of England (GLE) and formed African Lodge, Number 459. When the UGLE was formed in 1813, all U.S.-based Lodges were stricken from their rolls – due largely to the War of 1812. Thus, separated from both UGLE and any concordantly recognised U.S. Grand Lodge, African Lodge re-titled itself as the African Lodge, Number 1 – and became a de facto "Grand Lodge" (this Lodge is not to be confused with the various Grand Lodges on the Continent of Africa). As with the rest of U.S. Freemasonry, Prince Hall Freemasonry soon grew and organised on a Grand Lodge system for each state.[52]
Widespread segregation in 19th- and early 20th-century North America made it difficult for African-Americans to join Lodges outside of Prince Hall jurisdictions – and impossible for inter-jurisdiction recognition between the parallel U.S. Masonic authorities. By the 1980s such discrimination was a thing of the past, and today most U.S. Grand Lodges recognize their Prince Hall counterparts, and the authorities of both traditions are working towards full recognition.[53] The United Grand Lodge of England has no problem with recognising Prince Hall Grand Lodges.[54] While celebrating their heritage as lodges of black Americans, Prince Hall is open to all men regardless of race or religion
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Effectively, you aren't a Prince Hall Mason...you are a Prince Hall Freemason...at least historically. Perhaps the Prince Hall Masons wished to separate themselves further from the racism over the last two centuries in America and dropped the term "Free" from their name. I haven't been able to find mention of it.
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sir we have not drop( free ) a mason is a mason if you would like to know more you can call me [login to see] and i can help you to understand it
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I think that's like asking what are your thoughts on republicans or democrats in the military. I feel that someone's affiliation should not affect their duty to service. Although Free Masons do cause quite the conversation as an organization, I feel that some Soldiers feel as if they are not being treated fairly because the Freemasons are "hooking each other up" and somehow thereby reducing their opportunity to advance. I feel we have to conduct individual inventory on ourselves and not worry so much about everyone else.
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Brother what many Military members do not realize is that Masonic Military members do a lot for their Unit weather its Company, BN, BDE, ect. We also do a lot for the community. Its the rotten apples so to speak that mess it up for the good ones I think
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I agree wholeheartedly as with any organization it is only as strong as the people in it
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That's between them and DOD. Unless Masons are identified as subversive or (pick a category) there should be no issue. In principle, no different from Kiwanis, Shriner's, Civitans, Lion's Club or any other civic-minded organization. They don't solicit membership I'm told. One has to ask them first. No impact on unit good order.
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I had a spout of mental illness once I left the Military. During this time I began to learn much about masonry and some of the things surrounding it. Strange thing was no one taught me other than the voices I was hearing. I stole a truck and when brought before the chief of police he asked me if there was anything I wanted to add after I confessed and I told him I failed my son. The charges were dropped I was released and all was well. I also realized that the voices I was following almost drove me to the point of killing myself. God delivered my mind and I am now a Pentecostal preacher. Often people don't think of the spiritual nature of these rituals and rites used in masonry. Even with the mindset of Solomon it was adopted in history at Solomon's backslid state when he built places to other God's. The bible says by mans wisdom they knew not God. I realized once I was illuminated by the one true God that there was something off. The bible says no man can serve two masters. Albert Pike the only confederate general honored the way he was a notable freemason wrote books regarding this doctrine and dogma.
"That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil. Albert Pike"
Those who choose to worship Lucifer for gain is their own business I won't condemn you. But the Bible says nothing is done in secret that one day will be manifest in the light.
"That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil. Albert Pike"
Those who choose to worship Lucifer for gain is their own business I won't condemn you. But the Bible says nothing is done in secret that one day will be manifest in the light.
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They should not be allowed...the military has enough "cliques." The military should all be on the "same" team, not in separate corners. Leave that nonsense for the civilian world.
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Though this is probably a well dated discussion, here's my .02. Simply put, there is no place for it. There's definitely enough "good ol boy" back scratching that occurs from branch to branch, mos to mos. I've seen it with my own eyes. People passed over for promotion, preferential treatment, forgiving of disciplinary treatment, the list goes on and on. It's there, plain Jane however; the country was founded on it? One simply has to utter general washingtons name and you're instantly reminded of the connections. Only reason cmd groups aren't fighting it is because they are Mason's themselves or have duty driven empathy or realize that it's way to big of a machine to challenge. Kinda sad. A soldiers, airmens, sailors, marines efforts should be sincerely rewarded or punished without bias, that is impossible if an individual will circumvent creeds and oaths to first appease a fraternal orders mandates.
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And again, I say anyone acting like that is unMasonic. Plus, you don't know whether or not it was a real Mason or a fake one.
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CW3 (Join to see) - I can't speak for current Masons in the Militar, but that is not the intent of a good mason to be a ring knocker, as I was taught upon my entry that the Masonic ring was not a door knocker to gain special treatment and would be frowned upon.
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Skilled trades can be expensive. If you found a Mason who will do it for free, jump on that. lol...
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