What are your thoughts on mos's that don't deploy to "combat areas" without choice? What about referring to soldiers as "pogs"?
What are your thoughts on mos's that don't deploy to "combat areas" without choice? What about referring to soldiers as "pogs"? Do people believe that it's a soldiers personal choice where their unit deploys to?
Never heard the term POG until my kids went in the military. We were REMFs when I was in. I was good with that. In the rear with the gear, they used to say. I considered myself a dirty nasty leg grease monkey REMF. When those infantry boys needed their four deuce generators fixed I was all to happy to do it or the Mech Inf needed those engine packs in the 113s fixed we were johnny on the spot. Actually we fixed everything from coffee pots to wheel and track vehicles because we were a rolling shop.
As far as being deployed, the grunts were happy to see us coming. We were a contact team and usually carried extra cartons of cigs, candy, razors, and reading material from the px van. But then again that was a different time. We didn't have the wire or FOBs.
I have seen people get defensive about being called POGs but I think that's speaks to a deeper insecurity on their part. I am proud of my service. I pushed my kids to do more in the military and go farther. I do the same thing to my grandson. He wants to be a Ranger in the worst way. Because my Pop is Navy, my son and oldest daughter are Air Force and my baby daughter and I are Army, Holidays and family suppers can get pretty interesting.
Honestly I never viewed any hazing (if you could call it that) that I got in the military as anything other than team building.
As I read your post the only thing that jumps out at me is Hazing. Calling me a POG may or may not be right but it is not close to hazing. This is one of the issues I feel we have with the military. If someone says or does anything slightly offensive or hurtful it is considered hazing.
Now I am no infantry Soldiers so you can call me POG all day long. I am great at my job and without me you cant kick in doors. Call me anything you want. It is about being proud of who you are. The Combat arms guys call us POGs because they are proud of what they do and not all people can do it.
Would it be hazing if I stood around with a bunch of Soldiers talking about how civilians don't know how hard it is to be a Soldiers. Those civilians got it easy cause I fight for their freedom. If I use the word civilians in the same context as POGs am I hazing the civilian population. We as a military really need to get away from using words like 'hazing" and "toxic leader" as a catch all.
And laugh when they came to me because their comms were out.
SSG Bergevine, yeah, you forgot some.. everyone's a pogue until the ammo, fuel, food, water, PAY, PROMOTION ORDERS, or MAIL doesn't show up.
If it upsets you so much, re-class and become a grunt. Did some big bad Grunt call you a POG? So what? I'm an MP, I am proud of being an MP. Is an MP a POG? Yup, so what? It's what I chose to do in the Army. You made the choice of being a 92G, you could of been 11B, but you didn't chose it. I could have been 11B, but i didn't chose it ether.