Posted on Apr 6, 2014
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It's often unauthorized.  What pros and cons do you see about this policy?  Do you believe this can help Soldiers with fitness or morale?
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I personally have seen more soldiers injured in sports than in Training, Operations & combat combined.
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LTC Program Manager
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To be fair the sports injury's were much less serious than the others.  Never personally seen a sports related death.
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Sir, what was the more severe sports-related injury you're witnessed?
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CW2 Geoff Lachance
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No! Sports are a good way to bond.  Injuries can and does happen during any kind of training!   Stay active!
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No complaints here.
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SFC Gary Fox
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I see no reason at all not to play a sport at least once a week for PT.  I had been in units that prohibited sports for PT because of the risk of injury.  I've seen injuries occur during "normal" PT before.  We can't coddle Soldiers.
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MSG Mitch Dowler
MSG Mitch Dowler
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The problem I have always seen is what about those that have no experience with the sport being played or sports in general? Injuries can and do occur regardless, 70% disable veteran retiree here. I would like to see more of a personal responsibility attachment to physical fitness than a regular organized PT program. Those who do not perform and meet standards on their own could be placed in battalion level programs to bring them to standard. Morale type runs and PT events could still occur on a monthly basis.
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Interesting point of view on the PT program. I believe the Coast Guard does that, but I'm not sure.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
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Way back in the late 80's-early 90's while stationed at Ft. Carson, my company conducted sports PT nearly every Tuesday (M, W & F were the normal pt days while Thursday was SGTs Time in the am and then BN sports 1300-1500 followed by Family Time). It was great for team building, esprit-de-corps and stress relief; however as we played mostly "combat soccer", we ended up with quite a few ankle and knee injuries and I was almost compacted to non-existence by the CO and 1SG when I got squashed by them, lol! Eventually we had to stop the "combat" aspect of the pt, but we still had an excellent time. Unfortunately from the time I left there in '91 until I retired last year, none of the subsequent units I was assigned to had sports pt at all.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
SFC William Swartz Jr
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Well it was 25 years or so ago and we didn't have camera phones, let alone cell phones back then!! LOL!! Combat soccer was basically soccer with football hits lol!! Finally had to stop playin it because we had a few knee and ankles get blown, mostly from jumping to avoid contact and landing wrong!!
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SFC William Swartz Jr
SFC William Swartz Jr
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LTC Mark Gavula I believe that "game" was called Push Ball, seen it conducted but never actually played myself.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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I remember combat soccer it was fun, but it challenged you to keep yourself from getting hurt, I always had bad ankles and toes.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
SFC William Swartz Jr
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I never really got banged up too badly, except for the time I mentioned above when I got "sandwiched" by the CO and the 1SG...both of them were pretty good sized boys: CO was 6'4" and about 220 while 1SG was about 5' 11" and about 230 (both were solid) and me, well I was prolly about 165 at 5'10". Needless to say it hurt lol!
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SSG Cable Systems Installer/Maintainer
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I think it's a great motivator, builds comradery , and a great workout cardio wise (depending on the sport) if you think about it no one notices how tired they are until after the sporting event. So overall I think it's great as long as controlled and preventative measures are in place for injuries. CRM and actually give a brief before on hazards.
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PO2 Patrick Dwyer
PO2 Patrick Dwyer
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We we're allowed to play basketball, Softball, Fastball, etc. for PT. It was a comradery / camaraderie ( Comradery addresses the special comradery that exists between soldiers that have experienced the crucible of combat together) boost because it changed the routine, brought some of us back to a root from our past.Still had a P/T test semi annually for running 2 miles , 50 Push ups, sit-ups and 20 pull ups that may not have been " Fun" but did ensure a certain measurable physical endurance. Medical and dental holds actually kept more bubbleheads off patrol than the P/T test.
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In regards to CRM, I want to note that sometimes there's that one SM that just shouldn't participate, not because of athleticism, but because he's the most disliked Leader in the organization.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
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Digging is one of the best exercises. Why not use yard work and landscaping for pt. it will build muscle, stamina and make for a great looking base. Might even save money as we won't need outside contractors.
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PO2 Patrick Dwyer
PO2 Patrick Dwyer
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Great exercise if done properly( Bend knees,keep arms in closer,etc.) . I have seen injury of pulled muscles,etc. What I wanted to say mainly was that it is a great " Punishment" whether a 14 year old boy that ants to smoke to a military member that is assigned EMI. Can be part of great health program but integrated with running, Cardio,etc.
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Digging is more productive and much less fun. However, if such things were done by an organization with a special goal, such as voluntarily building something for a family in need, then I'd say that could be a great morale booster. But that's a different story and forum.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
Sgt Packy Flickinger
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PO2 Patrick Dwyer Well just have to size the shovel to the capability of the person. For some I know, I think the little plastic sand shovels they sell at Toys R Us will work.
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PO2 Patrick Dwyer
PO2 Patrick Dwyer
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Agreed.But...if someone can not pass the PT test after one retest then they are to be on mandatory PE and hopefully have help/assistance on " How to Exercise/ Train "Properly. Sounds like BS But before I retired out of Civil Service in 2008 Units/ Bases actually did this. When I was on Active duty we tested twice a year( 2 crew missile subs) and the PT test was so easy you had to be trying to fail. They adjusted the running times" 2 miles in # minutes for age yet some of my senior and older CPO's, SCPO Bob French especially put us all to shame with his PT results. I felt there should/ could be a " SET " testing of fitness.
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SSG Willis Baker
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There are no cons to playing sports during PT. It breaks up the same mundane routine running around the same park or track day after day. As long as a unit can maintain their PT proficiency, then go for it. Mix it up with Volleyball, flag football, or other running games like would you would do at a unit party, wheelbarrow races and so on.
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Wheelbarrow races? I think I know what you're talking about. Can you describe any other uncommon sports/ pt exercises?
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1SG S3 Operations Ncoic
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Back in the early 90's when I first joined you know, when the dinosaurs roamed the earth. We did PT three days a week. Then it moved to Mon, Wed, Fri was PT and Tues was organized sports. Frisbee Fooltball, Touch Football were the norms. All this talk about too many injuries I say is just an excuse. I have seen just as many people get hurt running 4 miles by twisting ankels or knees. Popping shoulders out of place from doing to many overhead claps, into push ups, into forward claps. The risk of injury is no different than the risk while playing for the unit team. It is up to the leaders to not let the game of touch football turn into tackle, etc. The unit sports is to build cohesion and esprit de corp, just like a company, battalion, or brigade cadence run.
On the other hand I agree with some of the other posts. Nothing more irritating then seeing 1/3 of the unit actually putting effort into sports to get PT out of it and the other 2/3 treating it as a day off and walking around. Then they fail their PT test and say well we do organized sports and that hurts my PT. Well PT is there to MAINTAIN your state of fitness. We have Special Reconditioning PT for those struggling. If your not going to take the time out of your personal time to improve. Don't complain.

This topic is going to get many mixed responses about it. It is opinion based and we all have opinions. This is just mine.I can look at it from either point of view and be happy. I'm Old!
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Sgt Asr Chief
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I think implementing sports for pt is great like everyone else for the main focus to be moral and unit cohesion. BUT, I needs to be a rare event. It cannot be incorporated into normal activity to the extent where the members are disappointed if they don't get to do a sports pt because you need to train them in a different aspect. It's a good avenue that should be exercised seldomly in my opinion.
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What sports are Marines most likely to do for PT sessions?
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PO2 Patrick Dwyer
PO2 Patrick Dwyer
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The MarDets that I have been protected by we're always running. I have had a runners high where you just want to keep going. If at home, on base I'd guess if given a poll football of some sort.
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I've never had that "runners high" - just hundreds of "lows."
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SFC Operations Sergeant
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I support sports for PT as I believe in nothing more than competitive exercise to build esprit de corps and morale. Sports are also physically demanding and can help target different areas of fitness not normally challenged by traditional PT. What I don't support are those who would use sports as a method to circumvent or avoid battle focused PT, simply because football is more fun than training. I like that sports are generally unauthorized because the sad truth of the matter is that most small unit practices would be to turn off the important stuff as often as possible. It is bad enough how many people from adjacent units I see now that simply walk around and gossip for an hour and a half EVERY morning. I can only imagine what would happen if these lazy leaders were able to disappear to go play badminton or some other craziness. Once again, a few bad apples are the reason why APFT improvement and battle focused PT should be the only authorized morning activities. My opinion, though, of course.
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Many times, someone with a profile has been all about a sporting event, but not old-fashioned PRT. There seems to be someone like that in every unit.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Sports during PT, i.e. football, basketball, cause more injuries than the Army PRT program.
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Fair.  When brainstorming about ideas for PT, the question that always needs to be answered when sports come up is "how can we make this safe?"  Of course, many times, it's an uphill battle you can't win unless it's something more stationary, similar to volleyball
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SGM Matthew Quick
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I think our competitive nature actually injure us...I know it does for me, anyway.  haha
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I can't outright disagree with you there, MSG.  I will that when I'm participating in sports, knowing I'm playing with guys that are looking to have fun and get a good workout keeps my focus on exercise and my pride at bay.
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