Posted on Dec 14, 2015
What are your thoughts on this as a way to our children while at school?
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I like where this is going in that it is considering things/weapons other than guns.
I have been told more than once, get a canister of wasp spray....shoots about 50 feet, and no body messes with you once that is in their face.
How about that for "a good guy with a gun?"
I have been told more than once, get a canister of wasp spray....shoots about 50 feet, and no body messes with you once that is in their face.
How about that for "a good guy with a gun?"
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MSgt James Mullis
This would be much more effective than a fire extinguisher. As long as the gunman was not wearing eye protection. The problem comes when students play around with the wasp spray and injure each other. I can just imagine the lawsuits.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
I've always suggested this (former gun dealer). Huge range, burns on contact. Cost $3-5 and comes in "half can size." Now that said, there are "implications" to PLANNING to use a household chemical as a weapon, as opposed to KNOWING YOU CAN use a household chemical as a weapon.
The second you put something like this into writing, you have planned. If you have planned, it's a weapon, and you have just "armed the teachers." You may as well have given them a gun. However if you inform your teachers of items that MAY exist inside their immediate classroom environment...
The second you put something like this into writing, you have planned. If you have planned, it's a weapon, and you have just "armed the teachers." You may as well have given them a gun. However if you inform your teachers of items that MAY exist inside their immediate classroom environment...
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A fire extinguisher is no worse a suggestion than most...but the root of the problem is the system that creates disconnected, hopeless, desperate people whose minds have been warped into madness.
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There are a couple second and third order effects here.
The actual requirements for fire extinguishers are not 1/classroom. Below is the actual OSHA code, but the gist is 75' or 3000sqft of classroom/office/hallway.
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/evacuation/portable_placement.html
Cost is another concern. A singular 20lb fire extinguisher runs about $160.00 (I have 4 of them in my shop). They require brackets or enclosures, which are infrastructure costs (1 time). But they also have maintenance cost, of inspection (1/year) that runs about $10-25 per. Assume you have 25 students per classroom. My HS had 3000~ students, that would 120 classrooms + halls. Let's call it 150 to keep the math easy at $160 each + $10 maintenance, and ignore the infrastructure as our "bulk discount" and we get $25,500 per school or 3000 students. Actual cost ends up about $8.50 per student as opposed to $1.00.
The actual requirements for fire extinguishers are not 1/classroom. Below is the actual OSHA code, but the gist is 75' or 3000sqft of classroom/office/hallway.
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/evacuation/portable_placement.html
Cost is another concern. A singular 20lb fire extinguisher runs about $160.00 (I have 4 of them in my shop). They require brackets or enclosures, which are infrastructure costs (1 time). But they also have maintenance cost, of inspection (1/year) that runs about $10-25 per. Assume you have 25 students per classroom. My HS had 3000~ students, that would 120 classrooms + halls. Let's call it 150 to keep the math easy at $160 each + $10 maintenance, and ignore the infrastructure as our "bulk discount" and we get $25,500 per school or 3000 students. Actual cost ends up about $8.50 per student as opposed to $1.00.
Emergency Standards | Portable Fire Extinguishers - Extinguisher Placement and Spacing
Emergency Standards | Portable Fire Extinguishers - Extinguisher Placement and Spacing
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