Posted on Mar 14, 2018
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Fort Bragg, N.C. Tax Center counsels Soldier for missing formation because his wife was in labor and now denies him paternity leave. Yes, the Soldier notified everyone in advance but the SFC there still made his Squad Leader counsel him. And now they won't let him take leave for his first born child. Thoughts?
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WTF Over???
What does the 1SG say? I'd use this as a perfect example of what to put in a negative NCOER on the SFC's abilities. Why are their so many stupid people in the military???
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGM Erik Marquez
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SGT (Join to see) - "If you're focusing on the downvotes themselves and not focusing on the why of the downvotes"

How would I or anyone else focus on your reasons why, when you have not posted WHY you downvoted...
If you would care to share your reasons for downvoting, or provide any meaningful addition to the conversation so we can understand your positions that might be in conflict with what others posted, then we have something to work with. Until then, you downvoted with nothing for us to understand why.
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MSgt J D McKee
MSgt J D McKee
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Major, if you think it's bad now, you should have seen it during the '70's and '80's for stupidity....
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SGT Household 6
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The answer sadly is that promotions and decisions about who goes to the board is nothing but a popularity contest, even if the soldier has 50 million points above cutoff for the next grade and have completed all of their SSDs and Ed requirements, GCM, AAMs and ARCOMs. I’ve seen a mosquito wing get three straight TIG/TIR waivers and go to the board before someone in the same unit who entered as an E4 at roughly the same time. That is disgraceful and should not happen ever and frankly it’s institutional inbreeding, but command looks the other way instead of checking their MTOE for other comparables. That’s why everyone knows it’s a joke.
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SGT Household 6
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Sorry, battle roster, not MTOE. I was thinking one thing and typing something else.
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I’m no regulation guru, but I’m pretty sure as long as his unit is not deployed they have to allow him paternity leave. Where are the balls of this kids SQD LDR? The PSG is an idiot. I would run this up to the 1SG, let’s hope he has sense.
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CDR Robert Regan
CDR Robert Regan
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This issue would affect unit morale therefore should become a command issue. Nip the negativity in the bud.
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SSG Thomas  A Gilmore
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SSG Russell Busicchia
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When my kids were born I had already worked a plan with my 1SG. I prepared a leave request and left the dates blank. When my wife went into labor I notified my unit and they initiated my leave (no maternity leave back then). Three kids and never had a problems. If this soldier coordinated his and the NCO;eave prior to the blessed event he is in the right and the NCO is totally wrong.
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SGT Lisa Turner
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No. This goes to every female member of Congress . This needs the heavy artillery to make a point.
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Whoever wrote this counselling and anyone that led to it being written is a poor excuse for a leader. Hopefully someone above their paygrade will realize it and take appropriate actions. The exact opposite of what they should be doing to support SM and help the Family celebrate the birth. They wonder why the retention issues exist?
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SGT John Graham
SGT John Graham
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CWO3 (Join to see) - I fully agree with you on this matter. I was fortunate to always have a very fair First Sergeant. If you screwed up, he may keep the brass from steamrolling you. However, your were HIS until you mended your ways. I received extra duty from top for some alcohol induced poor judgement. Every dirty job, extra duty, was mine for a while. I hated then man at first...I slowly matured, learned to respect his leadership and mentoring and became a better soldier and person. When we received an extremely toxic, military academy, bright and shiny butter bar; our lives were disrupted. Our efficiency dropped so the butterbar screamed louder. Top came to our rescue, he "arranged correction" through the Company Commander, CSM, and the Battalion Executive Officer. I know it worked though as by the time the Lt. became a First Lt. he became a pretty good, analytical, fair leader. When he redeployed he thanked top in a formation for "being a pain in my ass and redirecting my military leadership ability". We would do anything for top and the company officers. True LEADERS.
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MSgt Bill Miller
MSgt Bill Miller
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SGT John Graham - I used the off-line conversation and "S#!^ List" method myself over paperwork to great effect back in the day. I always found paperwork most productive when used as a last resort. Conversely, as a retired "Dirty Contractor", I have found the method unproductive; difference in authority and environment I suppose.
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CWO3 Us Marine
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SGT John Graham - We all screwed up at times. In return for one of mine I stood tall Monday morning. The CO was a Mustang Captain, and the 1stSgt was solid. My penalty was a slot at NCO Corporal's Course in February. Lots of ice at Quantico. They made me Company Guide when I made Sergeant. It was due to good initiative but poor judgement on my part. I was blessed by those leaders that gave me a chance, and it set the example for my leadership challenges later.
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