Posted on Jan 9, 2019
Stephanie Lozano
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Good morning! I am reaching out hoping to find anyone who has joined the Army via the college option for OCS. I have no prior service experience, but I do have a B.A. I've passed my boards and signed my contract already, but I have a lot of questions about the OCS experience, job selection, and life as an Army Officer. Most people I have been in touch with commissioned through ROTC or were enlisted for a number of years prior. I am really interested to see if anyone else joined the same way I am and what their experience was like/things they maybe wished they had known sooner. Thank you so much!
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Congratz on joining the Army and your choice to become an officer candidate! Things I wish I had known... OCS is the most challenging/rewarding way to commission; read everything you can about platoon tactics and the ranger handbook, PT hard, read ADP 6-22, PT more, google Army TLPs and memorize it (your about to live and breath it) while you PT harder, study ADP 6-0 and memorize the structure of an OPORD, PT more. most importantly, know you will mess up, it’s designed to be that way. Have the fortitude and drive to get over it quickly. We lost a lot of candidates who could not mentally overcome. As far as experience as an officer... everyone has a different experience... remember it is part of your job as a leader to make the experience a good one for your soldiers. You will direct, provide them purpose, motivate, and improve them. I hope this helps you get a step ahead so you can focus on becoming a great leader in training. Good Luck!!!
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Please watch this VLOG. I went through Federal OCS with this guy. His vlogs is a good insight of how ocs works and what to expect.

https://youtu.be/u2gQCQUjm2k
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Where to start? This is like asking what your college experience was like. Do you have any specific questions?
I went OCS @ Ft. Benning....and commissioned in OCT '12. It was rewarding. I loved it - but made it something I'd love.
1. Run for student council (Lots of extracurricular stuff that was fun)
2. Work your ass off and be particular and have attention to detail
3. Follow instructions perfectly, memorize shit
4. Start running and PT'ing now - harder than yesterday
5. Don't quit
6. Work harder
7. Enjoy an amazing time

Also - all those fucking dressers and desks up in your living quarters - my class hauled that shit up there while living in the cockroach infested old buildings down my the Airborne DFAC. Enjoy you bastard.

Kidding aside. Have fun - ask more specific questions and we will help. Cheers Stephanie.
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Stephanie Lozano
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This is all really helpful, thank you. Did you use the MDMP as the primary guide for how to coordinate/operate on missions? I like your point about not being afraid to fail, that makes me feel much more confidant! Thank you again for taking the time to respond.
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Stephanie Lozano - The MDMP is used at a very high level, just know the main points:
Receipt of Mission
Mission Analysis
Course of action (COA) Development
COA Analysis (aka Wargaming)
COA Comparison
COA Approval
Orders Production, Dissemination, and Transition
You will be given tasks to solve - For example a field exercise where you are taken out to an area on Benning somewhere and are briefed on an enemy position. If you have the MDMP steps memorized, you'll be a step ahead on building your sand table and putting together your COA's. Be confident in those steps. You'll do very well. Many candidates sucked at public speaking - if you do - don't focus on everyone standing around judging you - just pretend you are having a conversation with one person (without oddly staring at that one person, lol). Never be afraid to present/brief/get up in front o fpeople - and if you do, do it more and more.
Even today - MUCH respect is given for those people that brief well - even if they are an asshole - I've respected a solid briefer. "Good morning Sir/Ma'am, SGM ..." and bam right into the brief like a pro. It is something solid to have - especially as a young leader. Now, go and kick ass.
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Stephanie Lozano
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Thank you so much! Take care out there!
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CPT (Join to see) Gee-All of that sounds familiar. Were we in the same class or something? :)
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What can I expect when attending Army OCS?
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Expect to work hard. I was a 09S and came in the same way, military family, but no prior service myself. Basic will be easy, OCS will be a challenge. My biggest piece of advice is have an idea of what branch you want, but don’t have your heart set on anything. Branching is done by an OML (Order of Merit List), essentially your grade in the class relative to your peers. You won’t know what branches will be open and how many slots each branch has until the day you choose. I was hell bent on doing Military Intelligence until I got to OCS and then decided that Infantry was more to my liking, it is a decision I have not regretted. But just be mentally prepared to accept whatever branches they have at the time. A lot of my peers had their hearts set on one thing and by the time it came to them, that option was no longer available, so be flexible, the Army is what you make it. Other than that, be prepared to do a lot of PT, get used to walking with a rucksack and running everywhere. This covers the broad points but feel free to ask specific questions.
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Your feedback is really helpful, thank you. I was curious what you found to be the most challenging aspect of OCS personally, and if there was anything in particular that you wish you had spent more time studying up on prior to attending.
Was there a noticeable difference between prior service and 09S and the opportunities presented to each during OCS?
What impacted the OML most?
What made you decide on Infantry?
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond!
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Stephanie Lozano - I can give you some perspective, somewhat dated, from the prior service side of things. I came out of an Infantry unit as an E-4. I found that that PT was fairly easy to what we (and most of us out of Combat Arms) were used to doing. The class is designed around an Infantry Company, which I have been in for two years by that time, so the operational stuff wasn't that hard. I had to study, but anyone reasonably bright should be able to do well on the academic side of things. Running in formation and singing cadence wasn't new to me. I had been yelled at before this, so that didn't impress me much.
What I disliked was the TAC Officers. While I have the greatest respect for my OSUT drills, I never got beyond seeing TAC's as anything more than something I had to put up with to get where I wanted to go.
I volunteered Infantry both Enlisted and Commissioned because I wanted the challenge and just to see if I was tough enough to hang with it. I enjoyed most of it, but I will point out that I ended up an Engineer and never looked back.
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Stephanie Lozano Umm I don’t remember anything in particular being overwhelmingly challenging. I will say that most of my peers got hung up on OPORDs just because it is a lot to remember. Also OCS Companies are organized as Infantry companies and focus on Infantry tasks so I would at least be somewhat familiar with those. The two best references that you can read before hand are ADP 1 The Army and FM 3-21.8 Infantry Rifle Platoon and Squad. Both will help in basic and OCS. They can be found just by typing them into Google. As OCS is doctrine based, this will serve as a good foundation.

There is no difference in the opportunities given to college option and prior service candidates. You are all treated equally, but prior service candidates may be placed in leadership positions for the first weeks just because they are familiar with how the Army operates.

Everything impacts the OML; PT tests, written tests, the history exam, your performance in leadership positions, etc... just know that everything you do is being observed and can positively or negatively influence your grade. Just study and don’t do dumb things.

I decided on Infantry because one of my peers who was prior service infantry told me that Infantry was the only branch that mattered. Kidding, but he did say that. I just enjoyed what the Infantry did and decided that if I was going to do this and make a career out of it, I wanted to be out front and not stuck in the rear. I’m sure some people will be butthurt by that opinion but that’s what influenced my decision and I don’t regret it.
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Stephanie Lozano Do you have a ship date to Basic?
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Don’t have any constructive comments for you (to answer your question), but I would like to use your question to illustrate how the army has changed from the late 70’s.

There weren’t a lot of women officers in the engineers in the mid/late 70’s. There were a few in my EOBC class. One of them was a liberal arts graduate of Syracuse University. She said she had graduated, with no job in hand. Was walking downtown when she passed by an Army recruiter. Long story short, she was sworn in, sent to a six week commissioning course (not OCS), then on to EOBC (somewhere prior to EBOC she pinned on her gold bars). A couple of years later, I was at a gathering of Engineer officers in Hanau Germany. Got into a discussion with a 1LT commander of a bridge unit. Turns out she received a direct commission to 1LT (she had an engineering degree), went through the six week commissioning course, and was given the company command six months after PCSing to Germany. Can’t deny I was jealous (degreed Engineer with a EN (CE) RA appointment via ROTC), but I understood the urgent need for the Army to get women integrated into the non combat service support arms. This was the norm back then. Obviously, that’s not the case now.

As to OCS, find someone going through the program that appears to have their shit together and use them for a guide/resource, but don’t be a leach. Understand that not everything will come out great; don’t dwell, learn, correct, and move on. And last, engineer officers have their own buttons (it’s on the test).

Welcome to the Army. Good luck!
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What to expect? Well, to start with, expect penny ante, chicken shit harassment. Follow that up with nitnoid, mind numbing, boring classes. There is Federal OCS in a nutshell.
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Memorize your OCS “Knowledge” (some General’s definition of leadership, Troop leading procedures, 5 paragraphs of an OPORD, etc.) if they still require it.

Download Fm 3-0 FM 5-0 FM 7-0 and read those to get a head start on learning the operations processes and Army Training.

Like someone mentioned earlier: run your butt off! You should be able to run 5 miles in 45 minutes by the time you get there.

Be ready to get little/no sleep some nights.

You won’t know your branch until you are about halfway through OCS so don’t even worry about it. It’s not based on merit like someone else said...it’s based on needs of the Army. Slots are filled based on needs of the Army and those slots are filled by people who are currently enlisted. The folks coming in as civilians get what’s left. If you are male, you will most likely go to a combat arms branch. If female you probably won’t go combat arms unless you asked for it high up on your list.

You can ask for airborne school once you find out your branch but you probably won’t get it. I tried to get it and was told “yes” at first but ended up not getting it.

You’ll meet folks with different backgrounds. Lots of rewarding experiences.

The last two weeks were fun, everything else sucked but was fun going through the suckiness with a bunch of other people...
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Sir, not sure if that’s how it was when you went through but it has changed. Now the entire class is placed together on the same OML, prior enlisted don’t fill the slots and then everything else goes to the college options, everyone has the same opportunity to compete for them. The only ones who know their branch upon arrival are NG and Reserve candidates. Candidates can submit 4187’s to request a specific branch if they can demonstrate they have pertinent qualifications, but it has to be within the branches that are offered that cycle. And Combat Arms are not as common as they once were. My class only had 5 infantry, 5 armor and 5 FA slots.
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CPT (Join to see) Rgr....Things must have changed since my OCS days in 2005. Good to know for people who ask me about it.
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LTC (Join to see) I just started there as Cadre and even in the short 4 years since I went through they’ve changed it pretty significantly.
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