Posted on Jan 15, 2014
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Soldiers have a hard time taking an APFT and making height and weight all because they only are required to take one record APFT within a Fiscal year.  Yes, they have to wiegh in twice a year, but what are your thoughts on this?  How many times a year do you think we should we take an APFT?  If you had to choose the events, what would they be? 
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SFC Vernon McNabb
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Most units I have been in, have administered the APFT quarterly. Beginning in October with a record, January is a diagnostic, April is a record and August is another diagnostic. In my current unit, we take two records per year (October and April). I would not change what we do for the APFT, other than sit-ups. These are the worst exercises. Maybe crunches or V-ups to create less strain on the neck and spine. I know there are some super studs out there who will say "work on your core", but the average Joe/Jane will still crank on their neck to get as many sit ups in as possible.
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SFC Ait Platoon Sergeant
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Pushups, Situps, Pullups, 2 mile run! More events will give you more understanding of the true fitness of an individual.
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PFC Cavalry Scout
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Personally we take an apft once a month in my troop. But only quarterly are they a recorded apft.
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SPC Daniel Edwards
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Male and female scores should be closer together. We are supposed to do 20 push ups every day for warm up (or at least I always do). Yet females are required to do that many in 2 minutes. In my opinion, that is to easy.
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Let us go back to the beginning. few people have heard of COL Herman Kelior who is known as the Father of Army Physical Fitness. Their was not an established PT test during the time of COL Kelior's tenure as the Director of Physical Education at West Point. What was important to COL Kelior was over all fitness of the soldier to conduct combat operations.
COL Kelior who was also the Football Coach at West Point, Once said after the Cadets were beaten soundly by Notre Dame; "In combat you must expect the unexpected, if you learned that lesson today then I don't care what the score is."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Koehler
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I would change the run to 1.5 miles and add Chin- ups . It definitley should not be MOS specific. It's not like they are asking is to run a marathon!
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If chinups were required, I'd fail the PT test every single time.
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SGT Jeremy Schlueter
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Until you did chin-ups. When my guys failed sit-ups I told them it was because they didn't do enough sit-ups between tests. They didn't fail again. Or are there some extenuating circumstances?
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I think that each quarter the APFT should be taken, this would greatly increase Soldier readiness. As far as events. I think the Army should switch to a 3 -mile run, keep the sit-ups and push-ups, add pull-ups, and possibly some field events, such as buddy carries, running in equipment, carrying objects to and from places, and maneuvering obstacles. Run the standard APFT (run, sit-ups, push-ups, pull-ups) twice a year, and the other two quarters run the filed portion of the APFT. Let me know your thoughts.
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Except for pull ups, I totally agree. Change it up a bit!
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Add pull ups and change the sit ups to crunches. Keep the two mile. 1.5 miles is the best way to measure someones cardiovascular ability but I think the extra 1/2 mile is for heart.
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I like the Marine Corps standard of a 1st class, 2nd class, and 3rd class scoring system.  At you age range, the amount it is required to get a first class decreases slightly.  So, as you age you can still achieve a first class score.  I always have to chuckle at the individuals get a 300+, but cannot finish something like a BN run without falling out. 
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I'd hate to fall out of a BN run. CSM be all over you. Least in my BN. lol
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I thought the Army was going in the correct direction by making a test based upon job field, but then they switched to adding a supplement to the current test and things started falling apart. The issue is this, there is no one standard. The APFT standard changes by age and gender. This makes it wildly unpredictable at predicting a baseline of any given units actual physical capability. A 50 year old female SGM for example has to perform 34 pushups, 66 situps, and a 17:36 two mile to Max the APFT. How is it right and just to consider that performance (a 300) at the same level as a 30 year old male SGT performing 77 pushups, 82 situps, and 13:18 for the same score? The SGT is physically far more capable so how in any way is the current test standard geared toward a capability to expect any given level of performance? The issue is that the APFT should be in 2 parts. One, a common core minimum for all ages, ranks, and genders for either making or failing the standard (a 1/1/1 assessment). Two, their must be a difference in MOS physical qualifications. For example, all infantry must be able to ruck a x pound pack in x amount of time to be infantry eligible, a artillery soldier must be able to curl x pound bar x times, a medic must be able to drag a x pound dummy, x yards. Stop connecting promotions to PT and weapons quals and make technical and tactical competencies the leading variables. Stop trying to integrate old tools into a new test and pretending its innovative... We as Soldiers have the common sense to know that the APFT is a feel good tool to compare one unit to another on a curved scale.


Please don't interpret this as I'm saying the female NCO is unfit to serve, many can out perform their male counterparts and consistently do. I think the APFT is more of a retention tool than an indicator of physical capability. 

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SSG(P) Casualty Operations Ncoic
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Bullets, mortars, and rockets don't discriminate.


I'll let you all figure out where I stand on this issue.

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LTC Kathleen Maddox
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I believe that APFT standards are extremely important and crucial to troop readiness. That being said I agree that different MOSs have different criteria. I think there should be a minimum set of age and gender specific standards (like we currently have) with additional elements that address the needs of different MOSs. The best advice I received was never to show up for APFT not prepared to pass. As a nurse officer I can say I never was ill prepared for APFT.
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SGT Joseph Redman
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i know in my units we had to maintain height and weight year round not just yearly or twice a year. if our coc thought that someone looked over weight everyone got weighed and taped. but also some woman cant physically do push ups like a man can, and some men cant run like a woman can so no they shouldnt be the same
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