Posted on Jun 12, 2016
SSG Emergency Action Controller / Ops Nco
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This is a general question. If you have a soldier who refuses to listen to you, as a non-commissioned officer, do you simply put the incident on paper?

Example given- A soldier has unauthorized sunglasses on in a formation. You tell the soldier to take the sunglasses off. He/she refuses.


On the 4856, do you recommend for UCMJ? I've gone thru 600-20 and cannot find anything regarding this
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Sgt Instructor
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I had a junior Marine tell a room full of NCO's "no" once...once. she got lifed by all four of us to the point of tears, and never told an NCO "no" ever again.
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SPC Peter Friedrich
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Slip a member of the E4 mafia $20 for a wall to wall session and have him help his battle buddy? Lol
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PO1 Howard Doll
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As a Petty Officer, I had the "three strikes your out" policy. I would call the insubordinate in my office, and give him/her counseling (strike one). Strike two, in my office to sign a Page 13 (admin remarks). Strike three - a report chit up the chain of command (approval for NJP).

I don't think it would work in the "kinder/gentler" Navy of today.
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Capt Retired
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Give a direct order. Still not obeyed process the charges for failure to obey a direct order. Let the guys at the brig take care of the glasses.
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SPC Fire Support Specialist
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Well my NCOs continue to wear loads unauthorized stuff in/out of formation I see no1 correcting them
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Sgt Jamie Grippin
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Paperwork is the correct PC answer but it will not allow to you to lead. I have worked with clerk type leaders and they are subpar. You can't file paperwork in the field when it is most important that your people follow orders. When troops don't follow orders you no longer have an Army you have a mob. You will need to address this at a more basis level if you truly want to change things. Everyone in your command will be watching on some level as to how you handle any incident. Lead by example and from the front. A good leader doesn't just set the bar they are the bar others need to achieve. If you put your people first and take care of them they will in turn take are of you. And as an addendum some fights just don't need to be fought.
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Cpl Rc Layne
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Unfortunately, you can't beat his or her ass half to death and get away with it anymore. Do your documentation, build a paper trail and shitcan them at the earliest opportunity. That's your job, saving the taxpayers money, not saving some piece of garbage.
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PFC Justin Gkuspie
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If anyone did that in my Battery (Alpha BTRY 2/174 HOOH!) not only would they get an article 15, but they'd probably have some..''alone time'' with that NCO. I can't imagine anyone doing that though (MAYBE jokingly) everyone seemed to respect the NCO's.
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SFC Daniel McIntire
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SGT,
It is a uniform violation! Is this a first offense or continuous behavior? You can recommend Article 13. Have you become creative and assign particular taskings or "volunteer" this soldier for details? Something to consider.
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Cpl Water Support Technician
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Pull him out of formation and correct him with an ass chewing and if that doesnt work charge his ass for disobeying a lawful order
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