Posted on Jun 12, 2016
SSG Emergency Action Controller / Ops Nco
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This is a general question. If you have a soldier who refuses to listen to you, as a non-commissioned officer, do you simply put the incident on paper?

Example given- A soldier has unauthorized sunglasses on in a formation. You tell the soldier to take the sunglasses off. He/she refuses.


On the 4856, do you recommend for UCMJ? I've gone thru 600-20 and cannot find anything regarding this
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SGT Military Police
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Wow. Are you serious? Unbelievable that a troop would defy such a direction. Things really have changed. We would be pounding dirt and moving rocks for days if we tried that. I would say to hand them over and they get them back after duty hours; and then PT them!
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PO1 Mile Oconnell
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remove, destroy and art 134 , we have no place in our military for this type behavior
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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Document, document, document, in clear non anger clouded minimal language each and every failure to follow orders. If possible have a witness or two, do not lose your temper or go full metal jacket on this special little snow flake. Seek additional guidance from your fellow NCO's on up to your PSG, handle it at your lowest level. If Mr. Hollywood still fails to follow orders from all of those NCO's then UCMJ will adjust his collar and pay pretty soon. Above all make sure you are right and have in writing the regulation paragraph, sub paragraph handy for your COC. What ever you do don't lose your military bearing or make threats and this will get fixed very quickly. In the old days a different approach would be used that is unacceptable in these PC, every special snowflake needs a hug days and can lead to the NCO getting in big trouble. If it were me these days would lose stripes and snuffy would have Irish sunglasses.
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SFC Operations Sergeant
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600-20? What the hell are you looking in there for? Disobeying a lawful order. Art 15. Especially in an instance like this. If you tell a Soldier to remove their sunglasses because they are in formation, that is a lawful order. If the Soldier blatantly just says "No." And there are no extenuating circumstances, that is blatant disobedience. No room for that mess. Stop looking in 600-20 and look in the MCM.
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1SG William Wayne
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So your saying there is nothing in the UCMJ about following Orders. If as a higher rank you give a solider a lawful and moral order and he /she dont comply I can think of 1/2 a dozen UCMJ actions. Now before you go down that path. Is there a medical reason for the glasses? If not and the order is lawful. Conduct unbecoming, Failure to follow orders, Disrespect to NCO,

Me on the other hand loves peer pressure. I can stand in the sun and talk about the need for uniformity of our military and the discipline and support of solidres for hours. At the end of hour 1 at about 1730 because you dont want to have an un authorized or a punishment formation. I would ask privet X what he thinks. If he is so dumb that he dont get it then on for about 15 min and ask solider X neighbor in formation what he thinks about uniformity. I will bet by 1800 Trooper X with un authorised what ever will have his gear together. If it happens the next day same drill. I am sure the PLT will fix the problem
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SGT James Vandevender
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if they refuse, only tell them once and if the person doesn't comply you remove them and crush the glasses. your the one in charge show it.
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CPO Gary Andrews
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It's very simple. Give the soldier the shitiest detailsyou can find. Tell the soldier that is why you are doing this. Also, before you do it, tell the CSM what you are doing. Leave NJP out of it. However, I would pull his/her liberty until it's over. That person would then be on my shit list. Let your people know you have a shit list.
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PO1 Clint Miller
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Sounds more like disrespect to you and not the rank/position. I would first try a one to one conversation and try to salvage a working relationship, explaining the consequences to follow if lawful orders are not followed. Subsequent infractions would then be written up
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SFC Wayne Woollard
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After formation take the individual aside with one witness, revert to general counseling, and explain that not only is he/she in violation to AR 670-1 see below, that under article 92 UCMJ a violation of Failure to Follow Instructions, and disobedience to a lawful order was violated. Let the individual know you could press charges, and request a article 32, but you will cut him some slack and submit counseling in writing and will be kept on file.

Eyeglasses, sunglasses, and contact lenses
Note: This paragraph is punitive with regard to Soldiers. Violation by Soldiers may result in adverse administrative
action and/or charges under the provisions of the UCMJ.
a. Eyeglasses and sunglasses.
(1) Conservative civilian prescription eyeglasses are authorized for wear with all uniforms.
(2) Conservative prescription and nonprescription sunglasses are authorized for wear when in a garrison environment,
except while indoors. Individuals who are required by medical authority to wear sunglasses for medical reasons,
other than refractive error, may wear them, except when health or safety considerations apply. Commanders may
authorize sunglasses in formations or field environments, as appropriate.
(3) Eyeglasses or sunglasses that are trendy or have lenses or frames with conspicuous initials, designs, or other
adornments are not authorized for wear. Soldiers may not wear lenses with extreme or trendy colors, which include,
but are not limited to, red, yellow, blue, purple, bright green, or orange. Lens colors must be traditional gray, brown, or
dark green shades. Personnel will not wear lenses or frames that are so large or so small that they detract from the
appearance of the uniform. Personnel will not attach chains or ribbons to eyeglasses. Eyeglass restraints (to include
bands) are authorized when required for safety purposes. Personnel will not hang eyeglasses or eyeglass cases on the
uniform and may not let glasses hang from eyeglass restraints down the front of the uniform. Glasses may not be worn
on top of the head at any time.
(4) Soldiers are authorized to wear ballistic spectacle eye protection issued by the Army, including lens colors or
logos that do not comply with paragraph 3–10a(3), above, in garrison or field environments unless otherwise directed
by their chain of command. See the Army Combat Readiness Center for a list of currently approved protective
eyewear.
b. Restrictions on contact lenses. Tinted or colored contact lenses are not authorized for wear with the uniform. The
only exception is for opaque lenses that are prescribed medically for eye injuries. Clear lenses that have designs on
them that change the contour of the iris are not authorized for wear with the uniform. Contact lenses may be restricted
by the commander for safety or mission requirements.
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SGT Ronald Mitchell
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After I finished with this soldier, he'd know the company and battalion so well (following the extra duty from his article 15 and other restrictions) he'd wish he never bought those sunglasses! I wouldn't argue back and forth and just let my intelligence with the ink pen or computer have its way! Plain and simple!
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