Posted on Aug 2, 2023
What do you think about the "Veterans of Foreign Wars" (VFW) one day changing their policies to include veterans with no foreign service?
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The VFW which is appropriately titled "Veterans of Foreign Wars" has been a topic of discussion for many of today's Veterans. Should they one day changing their Policies to include Veterans who do not have a Overseas or 'Foreign' Way on their DD214. This has been an issue or at least a question for a long time. Veterans who serve do so at the whim of a detailer who sends them where needed. Many Marines I served with Volunteered for Afghanistand and/or Iraq dozen of time to no avail. In many cases they were 'NEEDED' elsewhere due to their expertise in a 'non-combat' field or MOS. One in particual was a Black Belt Marine Corps Martial Arts Program 'MCMAP' Trainer and trained new Officers at the OCS academy where young Lieutenants went to train and learn their 'Combat' skills. He was never allowed to deploy due to his expertise and eventually got out of the service without a Foreign Deployment through no fault of his own but now he is 'Penalized' for not having a Deployment. He has been told to 'Go join the American Legion' but all of our freind groups are VFW...
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VFW membership requires certain/specific criteria. If your friend does not meet that criteria, then the American Legion is an option. Anyone that served can be in the Legion, but only those that met certain/specific criteria can be a member of the VFW. Should the VFW change their policy? No. They should not.
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Maj Scott Kiger, M.A.S.
The VFW is shrinking in membership and with it goes their massive influence on congress. In just the last 5 years they have lost over 250,000 members, mostly due to Death. Largest segment of members are Vietnam Veterans and they are all dying off at record numbers daily. I am a GOLD LEGACY LIFETIME MEMBER myself and a Current Sitting Commander of my Local Post but I believe as plain as the whiskers on my Chin if we don't change the Charter eventually we will die.
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SCPO Lloyd Sikes
Not to pee on your parade MSG, but there are certain periods where Veterans served that makes them eligible. I have been in th AL for 40 years, and the periods have expanded but not to include all Vets.
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That's the dumbest question I've heard all year. This must be from the "everybody gets a trophy" generation asking that question.
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PO3 Edward Riddle
SrA John Monette - Who asked you anything? I think only a dummy would ask a question like that. Do you not understand the meaning of "Foreign" in Veterans of Foreign Wars? Do you understand that we don't have any "Local" Wars?
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They’re many of us who deployed but weren’t included in our DD214 because they were places we weren’t supposed legally be. I deployed to Panama where we crossed into Columbia but for drug trafficking; I’m in the process of getting that changed
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Any military veteran, regardless of service branch, should be offended by the notion that the VFW would even acknowledge their inclusion. If you didn't serve in foreign wars, you're not in the club. It's pretty simple.
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SPC William Szkromiuk
Roger that! The waters get very muddied unfortunately. I have a friend who often wears a jacket to events that reads:
"Combat Veteran Desert Storm"
He served on an Aircraft Carrier. I doubt very much any of Saddam's hapless air force could get very close. Yet, he belongs to the VFW. Another friend who served in the Seabees. He spent 2 weeks in Thailand on an Air Force Base during Vietnam. He is considered a Combat Veteran. I really do not begrudge anyone their titles or membership.
But everything and everyone is not what they are or seem.
Thank You All for Your Service!
"Combat Veteran Desert Storm"
He served on an Aircraft Carrier. I doubt very much any of Saddam's hapless air force could get very close. Yet, he belongs to the VFW. Another friend who served in the Seabees. He spent 2 weeks in Thailand on an Air Force Base during Vietnam. He is considered a Combat Veteran. I really do not begrudge anyone their titles or membership.
But everything and everyone is not what they are or seem.
Thank You All for Your Service!
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MSgt Thomas S. Benedict
SPC William Szkromiuk - They were in the Area of Responsibility, THAT makes them eligible. Depending on their jobs, even when they are not actually in combat, they are supporting those that are and they are subject to attack.
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SPC William Szkromiuk
MSgt Thomas S. Benedict - I understand the principle. As, I mentioned.:" I really do not begrudge anyone their titles or membership.
But everything and everyone is not what they are or seem."
I will make my point simple. I, personally would not wear that if I was in the same situation. Combat Veteran means only one thing. But, that is just me.
God Bless those who served in Combat. And everyone who has served and is serving today!
Duty
Honor
Country!
But everything and everyone is not what they are or seem."
I will make my point simple. I, personally would not wear that if I was in the same situation. Combat Veteran means only one thing. But, that is just me.
God Bless those who served in Combat. And everyone who has served and is serving today!
Duty
Honor
Country!
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It is not just changing the name or policies. It is killing the VFW organization, with all its special intent, and replacing it with a new one. It is analogous to what happened to the "Boy" Scouts of America when it was no longer limited to boys. It is literally not the same organization. It is also unfortunate, because it is frequently just temporal leadership dependent, and instead of just leaving the organization as is, they follow whatever "vision" they have to be more "inclusive," or whatever is irrelevant to the original intent. Meanwhile, after the death of the original organization, other smaller organizations pop up that fulfill the original intent, as happened with the creation of smaller, local actual BOY scouting organizations.
I would probably quit the VFW if they did this just on principle, and sign up with one of any new organizations that still catered to those who served in actual war.
I have seen little to no other rationale to make such an organization-killing change than increasing numbers (selling out) and "we don't like we can't join your club" envy, not something you would really expect from hardened combat veterans.
I would probably quit the VFW if they did this just on principle, and sign up with one of any new organizations that still catered to those who served in actual war.
I have seen little to no other rationale to make such an organization-killing change than increasing numbers (selling out) and "we don't like we can't join your club" envy, not something you would really expect from hardened combat veterans.
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I was an in -country Dog Handler in Viet-Nam, 69-70. I had enlisted in the Army on 3 March, 1968. I got out of the military in March of 1971. I became a Police Officer in my hometown of El Paso Texas. I was having issues with the way my country was acting toward the military. I decided to join the VFW for help. I was told that I couldn't join because I had not been in a Foreign War I had been in a Police Action. Next I went to the American Legion and was given the same treatment. There was no Vietnam Veterans Association at the time. I did work my way thru the issues by talking with other officers who had also been in Viet-Nam. Till my dying day I will have nothing to do with either the VFW or American Legion
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SPC William Szkromiuk
Welcome home Sergeant! I am sorry about how those organizations treated you and all Vietnam Veterans. It was truly shameful! and misguided.
You and all Vietnam Veteran are of my generation. And they all served. US and RA. I will always have a place in my heart for everyone of you. Especially those that gave "that last full measure of devotion"
Duty
Honor
Country
You and all Vietnam Veteran are of my generation. And they all served. US and RA. I will always have a place in my heart for everyone of you. Especially those that gave "that last full measure of devotion"
Duty
Honor
Country
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PO3 Edward Riddle
I don't know about you Brother Dennis, but it was full-blown WAR where I was at in Viet Nam. I imagine it was the same for you also. I heard the same "Police Action" BS.
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Not really sure what they actually do for younger veterans when they get out. I joined twice never helped or did a thing for assisting me dealing with an asshole civilian employer. They may lift the restrictions when they need better turn outs for bingo or fish boils.
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I joined the VFW in 1969 when I returned from Vietnam. At that time it was run by Veterans from the "real" war (WWII) with a few Korean War vets. At the post where I joined there were 3 Vietnam Vets. I hate to admit it, but the main reason we joined was where we lived, the bars were closed on Sundays and we wanted a place to watch a ball game and enjoy a few beers. I remained a member for a number of years until the started allowing non-members to come in and use the club. That soured me. Especially when we would hear all the excuses as to why they had not served.
I have not been back into a VFW for about 20 years now. Guess I don't really have much to add to the debate. IMO, if the club is not going to be exclusive, then why even have the club?
I have not been back into a VFW for about 20 years now. Guess I don't really have much to add to the debate. IMO, if the club is not going to be exclusive, then why even have the club?
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If they did, it would be against the provisions of their Federal Charter...So whomever has been making it a "topic of discussion" needs to be told to stand down and ease up on the cheap beer.
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