Posted on Oct 30, 2014
What do you think of noncitizens voting in American elections?
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First of all, I hope I know the answer to this question, but one never knows, so I'm asking.
Today, in the "People's Republic of Maryland," this story broke: Non-citizens may be voting (http://www.wtop.com/46/3732751/Md-official-Noncitizens-may-be-voting). I believe it's a valid concern and something should be done to stop it.
What do you think?
Today, in the "People's Republic of Maryland," this story broke: Non-citizens may be voting (http://www.wtop.com/46/3732751/Md-official-Noncitizens-may-be-voting). I believe it's a valid concern and something should be done to stop it.
What do you think?
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If you're not a citizen, then you don't vote. None of us ever voted in any foreign country we were stationed in...other than a mail in ballot for a US Election.
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Unfortunately it is much too easy for illegal immigrants and non-citizens to vote in the country. State or federally controlled ID should be required to vote.
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...and even those individuals should & must be required to provide a photo I.D. or they don't vote.
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CW5 Montgomery--I really don't think many people have the true picture of the history of American politics--it wasn't that long ago in the south when campaigns gave winos a bottle for vote and bused them to the polls--you can bet many got more than one bottle. The history of politics all the way back to pre-Washington is ugly. My good friend', Col (Ret) Al Patterson III,...his grandfather was assassinated in Phenix City, AL running for office on a platform to clean up crime and corruption (Phenix is near Ft Benning. Ga); they gunned him down in the streets. Perhaps you recall the movie about it: The Night of Phenix City....Al's father, AL P the second ran for gov in his place and was elected the youngest gov in Ala history; the only man to beat George Wallace in an election (Wallace has a famous quote about that)--Patterson ended up as an Appeals Court judge.
Al III hasn't decided to run...While Democracy is a wonderful concept, we are in fact, a Republic organized around democratic principles. Some people will do anything to get elected--and they would do that anywhere in the world. Absentee ballots get lost, don't get counted, it happens. And yet our system seems to work better than most!
Al III hasn't decided to run...While Democracy is a wonderful concept, we are in fact, a Republic organized around democratic principles. Some people will do anything to get elected--and they would do that anywhere in the world. Absentee ballots get lost, don't get counted, it happens. And yet our system seems to work better than most!
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CW5 (Join to see)
Good comments, SGM (Join to see). Thanks for sharing that bit of history. You educated me.
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SGM (Join to see)
CW5 Montgomery--and Al educated me! A fine man. We are both Distinguished Eagle Scouts along with Sen Jeff Sessions. Do see the movie or read the book about Phenix if you haven't. When I get angry about poor reporting these days, I read the stuff about Jefferson and Adams and even Washington during the Whiskey Rebellion--far more vicious stuff--or the Alien & Sedition Act by Adams....
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Voting non- citizens don't aren't affected like us citizens. If they want to vote they need to go to proper channels to make sure they have the right to make decisions that affect OUR government.
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If you are not a citizen you do not pay taxes into this country. Onc they are legally able to live in the states, then they should be able to vote.
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SGM (Join to see)
1LT McDonald, ma'am--with respect---resident aliens do pay taxes on earned income, I was married to one. Many others who are not citizen also pay taxes, some illegals with fake social security numbers. We never hear much about that, yet it is true. Some states issue special IDs even to illegals--and some states allow instate tuition!
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SSG Jason Cherry
The fact that illegals usually have stolen SSN's is probably the reason our government doesn't really care they are here. Free money for Government, because those illegals don't file returns on that income and neither do the actual owners of the SSN
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CPT (Join to see)
So MSgt Jones, are all immigrants legal? No, not all are. Obviously I am talking about the ones who live in this country illegally, had I known reading between the lines was so difficult to do, i would have dumbed it down.
I have lived in New York and DC and know that illegal immigrants recieve welfare and government aid quicker than an American born citizen.
How about you control your emotions before you post, how about that?
I have lived in New York and DC and know that illegal immigrants recieve welfare and government aid quicker than an American born citizen.
How about you control your emotions before you post, how about that?
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PO2 Steven Erickson
MSgt Bill Jones I down-voted a comment, and here is my reasoning:
Mr. Jones, from anecdotal evidence I've obtained reading your posts in this topic, I suspect that you don't really concern yourself with the social norms of personal interaction and rules of civil rational discussion, therefore my subsequent request is likely futile. However, I would like to be bold and ask you to posit your arguments without the personal condescension and ad hominem components you seem to feel are necessary. Personally (and, again, I suspect you'll place very little, if any, value on my comment), your potentially valid arguments leave an unsavory intellectual odor when co-mingled with such drivel.
However, in the spirit of trying to reach you on common ground, I'll add this quotation from a well-known "average" person:
"Of course I've got lawyers. They are like nuclear weapons, I've got em 'cause everyone else has. But as soon as you use them, they screw everything up." - Danny DeVito
Oh, don't get me wrong... I've got nothing personal against lawyers - some of my family members are both curmudgeons AND lawyers, so I have some experience.
Have a wonderful day, Mr. Jones.
Mr. Jones, from anecdotal evidence I've obtained reading your posts in this topic, I suspect that you don't really concern yourself with the social norms of personal interaction and rules of civil rational discussion, therefore my subsequent request is likely futile. However, I would like to be bold and ask you to posit your arguments without the personal condescension and ad hominem components you seem to feel are necessary. Personally (and, again, I suspect you'll place very little, if any, value on my comment), your potentially valid arguments leave an unsavory intellectual odor when co-mingled with such drivel.
However, in the spirit of trying to reach you on common ground, I'll add this quotation from a well-known "average" person:
"Of course I've got lawyers. They are like nuclear weapons, I've got em 'cause everyone else has. But as soon as you use them, they screw everything up." - Danny DeVito
Oh, don't get me wrong... I've got nothing personal against lawyers - some of my family members are both curmudgeons AND lawyers, so I have some experience.
Have a wonderful day, Mr. Jones.
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Voting in US elections is for US citizens. I seriously doubt US citizens could go to other countries and vote there, so why should they be allowed to vote here?
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If you aren't a citizen, you shouldn't have a say. If you want a voice, fulfill the requirements, then by all means speak up! Even if you are a democrat haha
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SGM (Join to see)
SSG Cherry--yes. And learn English. If I want to go to France or Italy and claim citizenship via my mother, I must pass a language test.
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SSG Jason Cherry
The US doesn't have an official language SGM, but individual states can have them listed. Perhaps it is time to make English the official language of the US, and a requirement for citizenship?
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I think that it's reasonable for LEGAL Permanent Residents to have some capacity to vote.
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As in most countries a valid ID should be required to vote providing proof of citizenship. An ID can be provided at any local or state facility capable of producing an ID for free; provided you supply the proper documents ( birth certificate, counselor report of birth, ect)
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