Posted on Nov 20, 2013
SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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<font color="#4d4d4d"><span style="font-size: 14px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">BREAKING NEWS</span></font><div><font color="#4d4d4d"><span style="font-size: 14px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The secretary of the Army has issued an order to round up all convicted sex offenders in the service “as soon as possible” and initiate proceedings for their discharge from the Army.</span></font></div>
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SSG Robert Burns
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What I dont understand is if they have been convicted of assault or rape then how are they still in the Army?  Wouldnt they be in Leavenworth?  If not then the Commander who made that decision needs to be repremanded as well.
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SFC Ricardo Ruiz
SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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I'm sure there is an explanation for this. But Im sure nobody will agree to be the one giving the explanation
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SSG Aircraft Powertrain Repairer
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maybe the crime was committed prior to entering

 

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MSG Combat Engineering Senior Sergeant
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We had a Soldier in my old Unit back in fort hood who was a registered Sex Offender.  We found out just by doing random checks on people, and this Soldiers picture was of him in his DCU uniform as a background photo on the registered sex offenders list.  We notified the chain of command and it was kind of a in house type thing, then 6 months later I PCS'ed.  I dunno if he is still in the Army now or not.

 

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SSG Robert Burns
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Offenders can't control the punishments they receive.  I think the even bigger problem is Commanders who allow these fools to slip through with minimum consequences or under the rug in order to save face for their own butts.  In my opinion they are worse than the offenders because they are fostering an environment where predators can thrive with get out of jail free cards.
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SFC James Baber
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My question would be how did they get in the Army in the 1st place, when I was on Recruiting duty, I vaguely remember sex offenses were one of those that didn't qualify for a moral waiver, so I am confused on this. And as an MP, I also thought that once you were charged and convicted either within the Army for a sex offense or through the civilian courts, you were done and gone anyway. So again, I ask how is this even feasible that these individuals are in the service in the 1st place.
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1SG Michael Blount
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SFC - it's about time
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SFC James Baber
SFC James Baber
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1SG,


I'm confused to your statement. It's about time?

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SSG(P) Respiratory Specialist
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I think he meant "It's about time. . ." that someone stood up for what's right, even if it ticked other people off. 
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SrA Victor Michael Garcia
SrA Victor Michael Garcia
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If they had prior offenses, and if they managed to lie their way into the Military and then committed a sexual offense, then as in any situation, they should be convicted of the crime and do the time, then dishonorable discharge with no benefits and no chance to upgrade their dishonorable discharge......or, save the military the money and pass it over to a civilian court (hope they get it right).
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What do you think of sex offenders being separated from the army ASAP?
SSG (ret) William Martin
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Can someone provide a link?  It's not as easy as it sounds.  There are people who have had sexual offense related convictions and yet they are not on a sex offender list.  Good luck finding all of those SMs.  Some of those service members in the category committed their offenses before or after they joined the military.  Will this be retroactive?  People on the sex offender list should have not been allowed to join the service but who knows.  Also, you must recognized that in some states sexual offenses involve public urination or involving a prostitute which are not even sexual assault.  The Army like to some up new regs yet they fail to say how it should be implemented for it falls on the shoulders of the commander but that is how we screwed so bad with sexual assaults in the first place I think.

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SFC Michael Hasbun
SFC Michael Hasbun
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 "Army Directive 2013-21 (Initiating Seperation Proceedings and Prohibiting Overseas Assignments for Soldiers Convicted of Sex Offense)".
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I have no idea Ma'am.  It's been a long day.
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SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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1LT Barber you are right. The military is being target by sex offenders to include a great number of applicants are denied entry but I'm not sure MEPS Stations are 100 on this. I got my info from&nbsp;http://www.trynova.org/help-crime-victim/dsaacp/. I am also a certified Sharp Rep. &nbsp;<div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.trynova.org/wp-content/themes/NOVA/images/NOVA-Tagline-Home.jpg"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.trynova.org/help-crime-victim/dsaacp/">Department of Defense Sexual Assault Advocate Certification Program | National Organization for Victim Assistance</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">Department of Defense Sexual Assault Response Coordinators (SARCs) and Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Victim Advocates (SAPR VAs) pursue certification through the DOD Sexual Assault Advocate C...</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>
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SSG Motor Transport Operator
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SSG, This is very useful information.
Question? How would I apply to become a SHARP Rep for my company or unit?
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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SGT Houston, you have to be a SFC or above to be a SHARP Rep, whether SARC or VA. It is waiverable to SSG. You go through a strigent process to be nominated and approved to include records checks through MPs, CID, ASAP, Behavioral Health, etc. It'll include interviews with your CO CDR, BN CDR and BDE CDR. It's a great additional duty but you have to be really passionate about it. Like SSG Ruiz, I too am a SHARP Rep. It's tough but can be very rewarding.
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SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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Great!!
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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<p>Everyone keeps asking "how did they get in the Army in the first place?". Ladies and gentlemen, people commit crimes AFTER they enter the military as well. It's not an&nbsp;recruiting issue, but&nbsp;a disciplinary one.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;For clarification, the actual message is entitled "Army Directive 2013-21 (Initiating Seperation Proceedings and Prohibiting Overseas Assignments for Soldiers Convicted of Sex Offense)".</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Please look it up and read what it actually entails, both&nbsp;for Enlisted&nbsp;personnel&nbsp;and Commisioned Officers. It's an interesting read. I would paste it here, but RP loves to play with the formatting of long copy+paste jobs.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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SFC James Baber
SFC James Baber
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SSG H,

I understand where you are coming from but it is both a recruiting and retention issue, as SM have been allowed to come in with prior offenses, and SM's with convictions via military or civilian have been allowed to stay as well. That is part of the discussion that LT P was referring to, I as a former recruiter and senior NCO MP am greatly disgusted that either were ever allowed to take place. I have worked on numerous cases, and everyone resulted in either jail time and/or discharge from the military, so that is where my initial confusion for the whole message has been derived from. Thanks for the direct title message for further guidance and discussion. 

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SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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This is a good read AD 2013-21. Thanks
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Cpl Ray Fernandez
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I'm not surprised by this, there are times when something that seemed like it should have been common sense or been done a long time before should be made an official policy. The legal term of being a sex offender has a wide range of classifications based on the nature and type of offense.

One Marine I served with was classified as a Sex Offender because of pure stupidity. He had been drinking and was asleep in the barracks, and a girl that he knew from around the base came knocking on his door, she told him that she needed to call for a ride. He thought the girl was over 18 but she had a fake ID.He went back to bed while she "waited" for her ride, and she jumped into his bed and had sex with him. The barracks Duty went into the room and busted him. They found out what happened the MPs came, and he was arrested when they figured out her age, and since 29 Palms is a shared jurisdiction, he also was processed by the state of California. Originally they were going to charge him with felony statutory rape, but after the evidence of her actions came into view the most they could get him for was misdemeanor. He still has to register as a sex offender when he moves to a new area.

We have to start somewhere when it comes to good ideas, it wasn't that long ago when military members who were charged with domestic violence were finally prevented from having/using weapons.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
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Somebody let sex offenders in? Unbelievable. I honestly thought that would have been an issue at MEPS to qualify for service. Still, there is the issue of sex offenders who's recorded activity has only occurred since wearing the uniform... By the way, how does that apply to GO1 violations down range?

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SFC James Baber
SFC James Baber
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Chief, As I mentioned, I thought once you were charged and convicted while on active duty you were done and chaptered after serving your time in military prison if convicted by military court-martial, and if it was civilian conviction while on active duty you were chaptered out immediately. So as I also mentioned how are these people even in for the SECDEF to say they are needing to be put out, they should already be out.
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SFC James Baber
SFC James Baber
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Ma'am,

To be honest in my 27 years in the MP Corps, I actually only dealt with or saw reports on maybe 20 rape/sexual assault cases, not saying they didn't happen or exist, but in my personal experience for job related cases, the numbers were low. There may have been the issue of non-reporting, but all the ones I actually responded to were very distraught and hysterical, so I can't never fathom why someone wouldn't report it if it happened to them.

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MSG Jose Colon
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Predators are smart. They choose the weak and those who would normally have no credibility.  The way some victims were treated in the past, the way some were or are treated by their chain of command, the grueling process of the interview, and the trauma they undergo, does make a victim want not to report.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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There are certain offenses that should warrant CM review as they are tantamount to a felony, this is one. Now, as the law goes, if found innocent or copped to a lesser charge and not a CM offense they should stay. Otherwise they should go. As for rounding them up after the fact, I am not sure the aw will support that, they can however prevent them from continued service when it is time to re-enlist.
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SPC Rachel Stubbs
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As an former MP and having to had deal with the victims of these crimes, it is of my personal belief that once  service member had been found out that they are a registered sex offender should be let go from the military. Now i understand that if this was a crime that happened a great deal in the past perhaps like 15+ years earlier and the person had been straight with the law since that depending on the nature/violence of the crime and the length of time since the crime happened and any other criminal history that perhaps by a small smidgen should the soldier be given some reconsideration about discharge.
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SGT Andrew Chapman
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So it should be a case by case basis?
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