Posted on Apr 20, 2014
What do you think of these requirements for promotion to Sergeant (E-5)?
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Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?<div><br></div><div>In order to be promoted to E5 you should have:<br></div><div><div>- Completed SSD1<br></div><div>- Graduated from WLC</div><div>- Have a minimum of 70% in each event on APFT for 2 consecutive times </div><div>- Weapon qualified at 32 and above 2 consecutive times</div><div>- Attended as minimum soldier of the quarter on a BN or higher level and won. </div></div>
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To be promoted to E5, obviously know your job well. . If your leading and training other's there's no substitute. No disciplinary actions. The other skills like PT scores and range qualification are important too, you can't have a Plt Sgt who can't get first class pt scores or goes unk at the range. It's very basic with those two, but to lead you need thst part as well. NCO school too, it was mandatory for us at e4.
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Nope. I would like to see a peer approval. written or in person, if peers are tools, then approval by NCO support channel.
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I can see SSD1 and WLC, which gives examples, courses, teaching on how to be a better leader, situations you may be in, paperwork you may have to fill out as an E-5, etc. Weapon proficiency is aweseome but I'd rather an E-5 who could help me do my job than shoot almost an expert while sitting still looking at a target that is stationary and pops up for 5 seconds. PT is good because us as soldiers swear to be physically and mentally tough. However regardless of how many push-ups one can do does not determine leadership or situational capability to lead.
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I disagree with those rules. If the Army has standards such as 180 APFT and 23 marksmanship than that is the standard. If the regulations change to reflect these higher standards then that will be fine if/when it happens.
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Select-Train-Educate-Promote...most of you need to check this out. One more thing...it's BLC now and not WLC. Just sitting here shaking my head at the fact that it seems most of you leaders don't know this already.
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The AF places a job qualification standard into the promotion process. To me, that is better than having someone try to achieve "_________ of the Quarter (Month or Year)."
Know your job, lead your subordinates, complete your schools and courses, and do your job.
Know your job, lead your subordinates, complete your schools and courses, and do your job.
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SPC(P) I believe that the requirements are fair. However, I also believe that you should have some sort of proficiency testing in your MOS as well.
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Those sound like good qualifications, and to be rated among the best, and receive faster timed promotions, those should be minimum qualification requirements; however, I don't agree with the fact that a soldier who's promotable but receives an article 15 can, by AR 600-8-19, be reintegrated into promotion standings, but a soldier who fails a pt test or body composition has to reboard to be reintegrated. If anyone has further insight on this, please let me know. It sounds like, get an article 15, no problem, you're still a great soldier; but enjoy eating, not enjoy working out enough to keep your shape, and know your job, and you're a dirtbag.
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SSD1 is nothing but an NCOER bullet. One soldier in the squad does it, passes off the answers to the others. No one actually reads it or learns anything. Its a check the block type deal. Your NCO makes you do it so he/she can get the bullet.
Never went to WLC, I learned how to be an NCO through observing the best NCO's and being mentored by them. I learned how to counsel and lead formations from observing NCO's doing it for the 3 years I was lower enlisted. WLC is necessary, but WLC slots were tough to come by. You have all these SGT's and CPL's who take precedence over you to go to WLC, meaning you can be waiting for a very long time to go to WLC. Never went to WLC, still ended up with a 1-1 NCOER. WLC is and should be necessary but there just aren't enough slots to go around.
As for boards, I was awesome at them. I am great at memorizing random trivia. I won some boards, and as a result my soldiers always won.... but the board is just random trivia knowledge really. I can answer you every single land nav question from the Army Study Guide (which I know they no longer us) but in reality I had no clue how to do actual land nav. The fact your NCO's believe your ready to be recommended should be enough. Those NCO's observe you daily, they know your work ethic. They should have the ultimate judgment based on your performance, not your SGM and a bunch of other 1SG's on a board asking you trivia questions who don't really know who you are.
Never went to WLC, I learned how to be an NCO through observing the best NCO's and being mentored by them. I learned how to counsel and lead formations from observing NCO's doing it for the 3 years I was lower enlisted. WLC is necessary, but WLC slots were tough to come by. You have all these SGT's and CPL's who take precedence over you to go to WLC, meaning you can be waiting for a very long time to go to WLC. Never went to WLC, still ended up with a 1-1 NCOER. WLC is and should be necessary but there just aren't enough slots to go around.
As for boards, I was awesome at them. I am great at memorizing random trivia. I won some boards, and as a result my soldiers always won.... but the board is just random trivia knowledge really. I can answer you every single land nav question from the Army Study Guide (which I know they no longer us) but in reality I had no clue how to do actual land nav. The fact your NCO's believe your ready to be recommended should be enough. Those NCO's observe you daily, they know your work ethic. They should have the ultimate judgment based on your performance, not your SGM and a bunch of other 1SG's on a board asking you trivia questions who don't really know who you are.
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