Posted on Jan 7, 2017
What ever happened about Congress pushing for "one camouflage pattern for all branches"?
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Notice 1 and 6 blend best into the terrain in the picture.. the others stand out like a sore thumb but might be appropriate for other terrain
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Terrain should always be the reason for different camo...never for uniformity.
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I understand that and that's not what I was getting at because I assumed people would more common sense. Plus there's not a whole lot of room to post in the question but only discussions afterwards. If you read from the numerous responses, I was merely saying why are we not going back to the same ideal use of camo for all branches instead of individuality. Of course terrain is going to be the deciding factor but look at what we did with the BDU/DCU. All the branches wore the same camo uniforms but wore specific ones due to their operating regions.
The only thing that set them apart was how their sleeves were rolled, what color undershirt they wore and branch tape. Congress was pushing for something so we dont waste tax payers money and exhaust unnecessary resources to make what seems to be like 50 different camo patterns spread across all branches. IMO is that we should be all "uniform" like we once were but can keep each branches uniform cut design. Army will remain to have "hook n loop" while the Marines will keep their MCCUU design cut but with both branches using the same camo patterns as an example.
The only thing that set them apart was how their sleeves were rolled, what color undershirt they wore and branch tape. Congress was pushing for something so we dont waste tax payers money and exhaust unnecessary resources to make what seems to be like 50 different camo patterns spread across all branches. IMO is that we should be all "uniform" like we once were but can keep each branches uniform cut design. Army will remain to have "hook n loop" while the Marines will keep their MCCUU design cut but with both branches using the same camo patterns as an example.
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A Marine will wear what issued... The Navy needs blue, except SEALS and Sea Bees who need true protective coloration...
The Army should wear functional camo, but there's also a need to look cool so they need something different than the Marines...
The Air Force is competing with the Army for the cooler camo so they buy new camo, but just as the Special Ops folks in the Navy, Air Force Special Ops needs functional coloration...
Now the Coast Guard, like the Marines they'll wear what is issued...
Remember, there were paragraphs instructing soldiers on the proper method to roll up their utility uniform sleeves. The Marines just rolled them up.
The Army should wear functional camo, but there's also a need to look cool so they need something different than the Marines...
The Air Force is competing with the Army for the cooler camo so they buy new camo, but just as the Special Ops folks in the Navy, Air Force Special Ops needs functional coloration...
Now the Coast Guard, like the Marines they'll wear what is issued...
Remember, there were paragraphs instructing soldiers on the proper method to roll up their utility uniform sleeves. The Marines just rolled them up.
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Can't get the Navy to commit to a uniform long enough to make it happen.
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It's the dumbest this we have next to having different vehicles and aircraft.. On top of that.. we have two Army's. The Army and Corp. Eliminate one.
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Makes sense to unify the branches to a single pattern from a identification standpoint, but I don't see how a single pattern will work from an operational standpoint. Multicam works for what we use it for today, but you really need 4 patterns to be effective. Green, for jungle, woods, spring, summer. White, alpine, snow, winter, anything far north. FDE, desert, fall, arid environments. And grey, urban and night.
To do this, that sort of forces all branches to be bogged down with the navy's problem of having to have half a dozen sea bags just to have everything you need. The navy has far fewer uniforms than when I first joined, and I think there is a good lesson in that. Less is more.
To do this, that sort of forces all branches to be bogged down with the navy's problem of having to have half a dozen sea bags just to have everything you need. The navy has far fewer uniforms than when I first joined, and I think there is a good lesson in that. Less is more.
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No that wasn't the point of my original question. What I should of clarified in the original question was about why we (all branches) are not going back to the same uniform camo designs. Of course we need terrain specific camo. I would like us to avoid having like for example, 5 different camo designs for woodland terrain but not all branches will utilize all 5 camos and just ends up wasting more tax payers money. So pretty much I would like us to go back to the old BDU/DCU days because no matter what branch you were in, you wore both or one or the other at some point.
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PO2 Brett Baune
SSG (Join to see) I get it. I don't know, but if I has to guess, it's an esprit de corps thing, an extension of the same reason we don't all have the same dress uniform. I mean, good luck getting a marine in crackerjacks lol. We all fight under the same flag, but our uniforms keep us unique
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PO2 Brett Baune Yeah. One of the other suggestions I offered was we could all go to the same patterns but to keep our branch specific uniform cut. Like for example, us in the Army have velcro pocket sleeves for flags and unit patches. The Marines can keep their uniform design cut with the slanted nametapes and smaller (no velcro) shoulder pockets but in the same camo pattern with other branches. Well all use the same camo patterns but our design cuts will be unique to each branch.
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Lol. Sad but possibly true. I'm leaning towards that they got a good paycheck out of it. I forgot who the gentleman's name was but he did make the decision to use UCP but he's been dead for several years now so we're beyond pointing the blame at this point.
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This picture was from an Army Times article showing these four companies were the finalists in the future uniforms (Crye Precision was the 4th but not shown). Then all of a sudden they were all dropped to have Scorpion W2. Even interesting enough is that MARPAT was taken directly from the Canadian pattern CADPAT and then changed the color pallette to call it their own. I just can't justify all the wasted time, resources and taxpayers money into something that never ends up being utilized.
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Col Robert Ginn
Sgt. Ricketson, you are dead on. Why not spend those resources on the "tropical" uniform of the USAF resplendent in knee socks, shorts, (how much above the knee, sir?), pith helmets, bush jackets with knotted belts, and what inclusive dates? What latitudes? Don't laugh. All true. I was there. Mid-fifties.
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I remember in 2014, ADS, Crye Precision and two other companies were the top 4 in the final test. Then all of a sudden they all got dropped and we're now having to switch to Scorpion W2 which wasn't even in the original testing. Then again, it's always political.
ADS US4CES camo patterns below.
ADS US4CES camo patterns below.
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Some big company brought off congress and the generals in charge to drop it either that or it made too much sense for congress to understand, lol.
My idea is to have one Class C uniform for three of the branches , Navy would have 2 one for sea duty and one for shore duty. Each branch could kept their Class As and Bs. It would save the taxpayers money, money that could and should go to taking care of our veterans
My idea is to have one Class C uniform for three of the branches , Navy would have 2 one for sea duty and one for shore duty. Each branch could kept their Class As and Bs. It would save the taxpayers money, money that could and should go to taking care of our veterans
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