Posted on Jan 27, 2019
What exactly is a Change of Rater NCOER? Is it a new one with different names on it, or is it an actual form that is called Change of Rater?
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The details are as follows. I was recently promoted, switched units and my old unit still owes me my NCOER. My final month at my unit I filled out my support page as needed. I am still waiting on my old unit to give finish that NCOER. Now with my new unit my Platoon SGT will now be my rater when he does my NCOER he will just put all of his information on the next NCOER? Correct? or is there an NCO CHANGE OF RATER ? my old or new platoon SGT needs to fill out? if so what exactly is a CHANGE OF RATER NCOER?
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You are an NCO, you need to review the regulation and ask questions about what you don't understand, as opposed to asking the random, faceless internet to explain an answer that I already spelled out in written form per regulation.
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I think you guys are complete fucktards, he is obviously asking a question, no need to be a complete douche about answering it, just give the generic that's not how you learn bs. Thats is just dumbass bs, there is no harm is asking questions internet or not.
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SSG (Join to see) and I think you have nothing better to do with your life than be an internet troll in quarantine and look up old threads to get mad at. If you want to be the Google button for someone no one here is stopping you
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why have to give a hard time, SFC like you is that the soldier dont want to ask questions
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I guess SFC was perfect all his years in the ARMY and knows everything, because senior nco like you others soldiers dont ask questions. Why have to answer it like that. ?
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SGT (Join to see) I understand you are a new NCO, and the information you have been provided by CW3 (Join to see) is correct.
You've already gotten the "you're an NCO, look it up before you ask," so I know you'll do that in the future.
The problem is your entire NCO support chain, or whatever that is referred to nowadays, gets a No Go for permitting you to transfer units without this being completed. You may have thought they were squared away, and they may believe they are squared away, but this shows they aren't. This is why you have to read every AR, DA Pam, FM, TM, and local corresponding policy memo/letter for every issue.
Don't assume competence based on grade, position, or level of education.
You've already gotten the "you're an NCO, look it up before you ask," so I know you'll do that in the future.
The problem is your entire NCO support chain, or whatever that is referred to nowadays, gets a No Go for permitting you to transfer units without this being completed. You may have thought they were squared away, and they may believe they are squared away, but this shows they aren't. This is why you have to read every AR, DA Pam, FM, TM, and local corresponding policy memo/letter for every issue.
Don't assume competence based on grade, position, or level of education.
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As a NCO, you should be able to find the correct answer in the regulation. You need to take a hard look at yourself in the mirror and start educating yourself on basic NCO knowledge. The simple fact that you do not know about NCOERs, tells me that you have a lot to learn.
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First Sergeant, you are correct. I am owning up to myself and trying to learn. In the form of educating myself on Reg's and through the knowledge of my seniors.
Chief, helped me locate the website and I have been reading a lot past 24rs.
https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/p623_3.pdf
Table 3–16
Codes and reasons for submission for DA Form 2166–9 series NCOER
Codes Reason Entered on NCOER
02 Annual “Annual”
03 Change of rater “Change of Rater”
Chief, helped me locate the website and I have been reading a lot past 24rs.
https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/p623_3.pdf
Table 3–16
Codes and reasons for submission for DA Form 2166–9 series NCOER
Codes Reason Entered on NCOER
02 Annual “Annual”
03 Change of rater “Change of Rater”
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Whenever your rater (typically your first line supervisor) changes, you are supposed to get a "change of rater" NCOER. It is the same as a standard NCOER, just the reason code being "change of rater" so that you do not have any gaps in rating time. Previous units are notorious for slacking on this, and if need be, you may need to get your current leadership to reach out to them if they are not giving you the NCOER, because they do owe it to you. There are some other options if there is an issue with getting it for some reason, but the proper way to go is to have a change of rater NCOER. Again, because you are not supposed to have gaps in your ratings as an NCO or an Officer. This all should have been explained to you when (and even before) you became an NCO. Have you never had an NCOER class before (at PLDC/WLC/BLC or some unit-level NCODP)? If not, this is all explained in AR 623-3 which you can download with your CAC from Army pubs online.
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Thank you Chief, If I may explain this is my situation. My annual NCOER was due 21AUG2018 I Completed the NCOER Support form it is still sitting on EES. However my transfer orders were effective 1 DEC 2018. My last drill was NOV 18. So I spoke to my rater from my old unit who owes me the NCOER. He will put my rating time thru 30 NOV 2018 and I spoke to my new PSGT which will be my new rater He will pick up on my next NCOER from 1 DEC 2018 thru 21 Aug 2019 when my next annual is due. Is that feasible ? or where exactly in this situation will the Change Of Rater NCOER be completed? Doe's the COR NCOER happen in between situating units as of 1 DEC 18 or will the COR NCOER take place around 21 AUG 2019 when my next annual is due? Lastly, who fills out the Change of Rater NCOER my old PSGT or New rater PSGT?
I apologize on all these questions, however I am trying to learn, So I can stay ahead and make sure my support form/NCOER's are done on time. Thank you, Chief
I apologize on all these questions, however I am trying to learn, So I can stay ahead and make sure my support form/NCOER's are done on time. Thank you, Chief
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SGT (Join to see) From what it sounds like, your former PSG will be doing your NCOER thru Nov as a change of rater type (because as you said, your annual is currently on an August cycle). And, it is your old PSG who does it. Your new rater does not have enough time with you to do a proper NCOER anyway.
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Correct, my conclusion is as follows. My annual cycle is due thru Aug, by having my old PSG do the NCOER thru 30 NOV as a Change Of Rater type. That should suffice my annual & rated time from 31 AUG 18 - 30 NOV 18 COR NCOER. Than follow up by having my new PSG do the next annual thru 1 DEC 18 - 30 AUG 19, by doing so I will have all rated time periods covered with no lapse time. Thank you Chief, I took your advice and
https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/p623_3.pdf
Table 3–16
Codes and reasons for submission for DA Form 2166–9 series NCOER
Codes Reason Entered on NCOER
02 Annual “Annual”
03 Change of rater “Change of Rater”
Follow up and read the regulation, yes we have been lacking a lot of knowledge on these NCOER's last few months. I have practiced writing NCOER's and reading more on the REG's. I don't know everything, instead of assuming I ask questions, sometimes so the REG's can be broken down to laymen terms.
https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/p623_3.pdf
Table 3–16
Codes and reasons for submission for DA Form 2166–9 series NCOER
Codes Reason Entered on NCOER
02 Annual “Annual”
03 Change of rater “Change of Rater”
Follow up and read the regulation, yes we have been lacking a lot of knowledge on these NCOER's last few months. I have practiced writing NCOER's and reading more on the REG's. I don't know everything, instead of assuming I ask questions, sometimes so the REG's can be broken down to laymen terms.
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What the hell are they teaching NCOs at WLC BLC whatever the hell they are calling it now?!
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SSG (Join to see) - I had to memorize all the NCOER types and what they were for when I went through WLC in 2011.
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I love how all the NCOs on here just told you to look it up and didn’t give you the answer. That’s shitty leadership. You went looking for guidance and the answer and instead of being effective leaders they just told you to get bent. Shame on y’all. Do better. This is why our Soldiers are failing.
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