Posted on Dec 3, 2019
What happens if you get CONUS leave approved, but you go OCONUS and get caught?
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What happens when you lie and intentionally circumvent rules and procedures meant to keep you safe?
If you're lucky, UCMJ. If you're unlucky, you'll find yourself afoul of the law or in an international incident while your Commanders explain to your Division General why you're in a Tijuana prison as the US Ambassador is trying to get you released.
If you're lucky, UCMJ. If you're unlucky, you'll find yourself afoul of the law or in an international incident while your Commanders explain to your Division General why you're in a Tijuana prison as the US Ambassador is trying to get you released.
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CPL Joseph Elinger
SGM Erik Marquez
Unauthorized leave OVERSEAS etc...
That's almost a cousin to AWOL, or Desertion.
He had to go.
PS: I'll NEVER make light of an Overseas Security Briefing, & I'm the guy who doses off at almost all briefings, evening with The bird Colonel in front of my face.
Unauthorized leave OVERSEAS etc...
That's almost a cousin to AWOL, or Desertion.
He had to go.
PS: I'll NEVER make light of an Overseas Security Briefing, & I'm the guy who doses off at almost all briefings, evening with The bird Colonel in front of my face.
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You don't have "CONUS leave" approved...That's not a thing.
You have LEAVE approved. You're not restricted to the address on your form. You're on leave. So long as you don't go to a prohibited country, you can circumnavigate the globe in a hot air balloon if you'd like and that's perfectly fine.
We aren't limited to the address on the form. Just make sure your number is good and your contactable.
You have LEAVE approved. You're not restricted to the address on your form. You're on leave. So long as you don't go to a prohibited country, you can circumnavigate the globe in a hot air balloon if you'd like and that's perfectly fine.
We aren't limited to the address on the form. Just make sure your number is good and your contactable.
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SMSgt Keith Klug
The Foreign Clearance Guide will tell you exactly what you need to do before you enter a country while you are on active duty. This goes for TDY/PCS or Leave.
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CPL Joseph Elinger
SFC Michael Hasbun S2 will ALSO advise you, above & beyond, of higher risk ie crime, culture, hostility,.. countries. In 98 they told me (for example) of high crime rated / tourist robberies in Bulgaria.
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Why wouldn't you just request to go to the actual location you want to go to for leave?
It's not that much more extra work.
It's not that much more extra work.
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Why are you asking this question? If you have not already been caught, you need to ask your leadership if you can go to the country that you desire to go to.
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It all depends:
1. Potential for UCMJ
2. Of cool leadership, nothing
3. Is there a requirement for country briefing?
At the end of the day you deal with as much heat as you can handle!
1. Potential for UCMJ
2. Of cool leadership, nothing
3. Is there a requirement for country briefing?
At the end of the day you deal with as much heat as you can handle!
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There are at least two things that are involved in a SM's lawful ability to travel outside the US. local policy from MACOM on down to company (and those policies may differ, be more or less restrictive)
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Restrictions or tasks to be completed set forth in the Foreign Clearance Guide https://www.fcg.pentagon.mil/fcg.cfm (Note you can not access that from a personal computer with jumping though hoops, 2nd note, crusty old Army guys like me can no longer access it at all, so I cant say what those restrictions are, nor the tasks to be completed for travel to any specific country)
in 28 years, I never saw a local leave policy that did not require something "extra" if leaving the country, commonly it was clearly stating the county's to be visited on the DA31 and a visit to the S2 for briefings or tasks to be completed.
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Restrictions or tasks to be completed set forth in the Foreign Clearance Guide https://www.fcg.pentagon.mil/fcg.cfm (Note you can not access that from a personal computer with jumping though hoops, 2nd note, crusty old Army guys like me can no longer access it at all, so I cant say what those restrictions are, nor the tasks to be completed for travel to any specific country)
in 28 years, I never saw a local leave policy that did not require something "extra" if leaving the country, commonly it was clearly stating the county's to be visited on the DA31 and a visit to the S2 for briefings or tasks to be completed.
DoD Electronic Foreign Clearance Guide
A new FCG login authentication process has been implemented for ALL non-.mil/.gov domain users. In order to access the FCG website, users will need to login using their existing APACS account or request a separate new FCG account via the APACS authentication process.
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It would be bad.
Also, there’s an entirely separate process to get approved for oconus leave that includes some S2 folks and additional paperwork
Also, there’s an entirely separate process to get approved for oconus leave that includes some S2 folks and additional paperwork
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Are you a spy? Maybe it’s because I served during the Cold War but that was my first thought on why you would avoid telling your Chain of Command your whereabouts. I guess in today’s Army it would be are you an insider threat? At minimum your unit should suspend your clearance pending an investigation. Depending on what that investigation determines as your motivation for failing to comply with the regulations, it could result in anything from a counseling statement to a Court Martial.
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CPL Michael E. R.
tell him MSG. , before the wall came down, this type of behavior was serious and at the very least could have earned you a attitude adjustment or like MSG said Court Martial. I kind of feel insulted that it is perceived that this is a good place to ask something like that. and my boy JAX here is thinking about biting your @$$ just on general principle
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