Posted on Jul 26, 2015
GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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It’s becoming increasingly clear that the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, isn’t going to be closed during President Barack Obama's administration -- or beyond, despite the administration's efforts. That raises a deep question about foreign policy and the rule of law: What if Guantanamo never closes, and some of its detainees remain there for the rest of their lives?

The sad truth is that the continued operation of the prison is unlikely to do any more long-term damage to the U.S. reputation abroad -- because the world has already come to the conclusion that the U.S. is no better than anyone else when it comes to dealing with terrorists.

But domestically, the continued operation of the prison will do ongoing harm to the coherence and legitimacy of the U.S. legal system.

Start with some hard political truths.

It's true the U.S. Supreme Court has taken Guantanamo into its jurisdiction, and the worst al-Qaeda detainees are being put on trial. But more than 50 others remain in legal limbo, treated as permanent prisoners of war in a conflict that has no way to end. Their detention calls into question the basic ideas of due process, no matter what legal justification the federal government gives for it.

There’s now a State Department official responsible for finding countries willing to take detainees who’ve been recommended for transfer -- and perhaps before the end of Obama’s term he might be able to find homes for some. But most of the 52 detainees who are cleared for release are Yemenis -- and there’s essentially zero chance Yemen will be secure enough to take them before Obama's term ends in January 2017. They would have to be resettled elsewhere.

Then there’s the question of the 54 detainees who haven’t been charged with crimes but have been classified as too dangerous to release. The only way they can be moved off the island is if Congress agrees to a plan the executive branch is supposed to put forward.

But why would a partisan Republican Congress, in the run-up to a presidential election, give the outgoing Democratic president the victory of fulfilling his campaign promise to close the prison? Excuses won’t be hard to find -- congressional Republicans can just say they aren’t convinced a domestic military detention facility would be safe enough. To his credit, Senator John McCain has tried to negotiate a political compromise. But it seems extremely unlikely he’ll be able to persuade House Republicans to give the Democrats such a gift. And it’s unclear what the Obama administration could realistically give them in return.

The costs of Guantanamo to America’s international reputation have been substantial. The abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq was in a sense more shameful, because of the public outcry and belief that the techniques used were more obviously a form of torture. But the U.S. was able to respond by disclaiming those techniques and prosecuting at least some of the (low-level) offenders. But Guantanamo represents official government policy, and always has. The prison was -- and to an important extent remains -- a symbol of U.S. desire and capacity to create a zone of lawlessness. It matters that it’s outside the U.S. And the fact that the Supreme Court held that the Constitution applies there has done little to mitigate the international perception.

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/what-happens-if-obama-cant-close-guantanamo-noah-feldman/ar-AAdlZUY
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SPC George Rudenko
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We will always need rendition and a non US place for interrogation.
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MAJ Special Forces Officer
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oh well, they are living better here than they would if they were back home
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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In my opinion keep it open and never, ever bring those terrorists to the US for any reason what so ever. They are prisoners of war as far as I am concerned, and yes I know I am no one or real importance in the big picture, and they do not deserve to be held in prisons in the US. I really could care less who doesn't like it, if they are so concerned then let them come take these terrorists and deal with them, but oh wait they would probably say, "Okay now be good and behave when we send you back home and remember don't join your old buddies, promise?"
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PO3 Electrician's Mate
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Why should we close it? the "enemies" hate us anyway.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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Well said Gunney, well said.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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Thanks SFC (Join to see). Semper fi ...
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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Edited >1 y ago
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SFC Roseanne Pickering
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If Obama doesn't get his way the first time around, he'll stomp his little feet and veto, veto, veto until he gets his way.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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Now, now SFC Roseanne Pickering ... you must not pick on the little obummer. ;-)
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PO1 Craig Alley
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The camps in Guantanamo Bay will eventually close but the base itself is our last stronghold in the Caribbean since the closearly of Roosevelt Roads.
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MSgt Manuel Diaz
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What if the Cubans kick us out, what do we do with the detainees, do we leave them, turn them over to Israel, give them to immigration, coast guard or boarder patrol so they can get social security and government assistance till they initiate jihad America
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MAJ Matthew Arnold
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Give them an innertube and point them to Florida. (Hopefully the sharks will get them.)
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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Pentagon looks at stateside prisons as alternatives to Gitmo ...

The Defense Department is taking another look at the military prison in Kansas and the Navy Brig in South Carolina as it evaluates potential U.S. facilities to house detainees from the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, part of the Obama administration's controversial push to close the detention center.

Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman, said a team was surveying the Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth on Friday and will do a similar assessment at the Naval Consolidated Brig in Charleston later this month. Davis said the team will assess the costs associated with construction and other changes that would be needed in order to use the facility to house the detainees as well as conduct military commission trials for those accused of war crimes.

The closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention center has been a top priority for President Barack Obama, who pledged on his first day in office to shut it down. But that effort has faced persistent hurdles, including staunch opposition from Republicans and some Democrats in Congress and ongoing difficulties transferring out the dozens of detainees who have been cleared to leave.

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http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/08/14/pentagon-assessing-us-options-guantanamo-detainees/31742949/
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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Thawing U.S.-Cuba relations have 'no impact' on naval base ...

Normalization of relations between the U.S. and Cuba will not immediately impact the American naval base at Guantanamo, officials said this week.

In other words, for now, it's business as usual.

Cuban flags were hoisted Monday at the Cuban embassy and at the State Department in Washington, marking the end of over 50 years of ruptured diplomatic relations going back to 1961, when those relations were abruptly severed.

But at the U.S. Navy base in Guantanamo Bay — on the far opposite end of Cuba from where the U.S. embassy in Havana has re-opened for full diplomatic business — it was as if nothing unusual had happened.

“There’s no impact on the base at this point. We’re continuing to execute our mission here,” said Kelly Wirfel, public affairs officer for the base, the U.S. Navy's oldest overseas outpost.

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/24/thawing-us-cuba-relations-have-no-impact-naval-base/30612609/
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