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My soldier left a weapon unattended (no ammo with it but still very much the point). I could go the regular physical corrective action but would rather do something creative yet effective to get the point across... any ideas?
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LTC Jeff Shearer
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Savanna, I have to be honest the ammo is not a huge deal in big picture. The weapon is the big deal. Get creative, but not necessarily nice. Get a rubber duck, aka rubber weapon make him/her keep it 24/7. The cant sign into the arms room lock it into a locker. They will have it with them all the time, at PT, *in the shower, in the latrine, at chow. Inform all the NCO's in the unit so they can help you keep taps on your incident waiting to happen. Savanna, I have slept with a rifle and pistol within hands reach in several counties. Anytime I showered I made sure someone was watching it and I knew where they would be as soon as I got out. It could be something as simple as an oversight, a temporary lapse. Weapon accountability is skill level 1. You be the one who fits this, you be the NCO who steps in and does whats right. You see a troop that needs some fixing, so fix 'em.
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1SG Infantryman
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Mine would go to the shower with me. Protected from water of course. If you can't secure your assigned weapon you cannot secure the ones to your flanks fighting with you. Be creative but absolutely discipline that event sooner not later.
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LTC Jeff Shearer
LTC Jeff Shearer
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agree, agree, agree
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CPT Paul Bass
CPT Paul Bass
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and make it flaming pink !
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Sgt Wayne Horton
Sgt Wayne Horton
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I always kept my weapon close
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LTC Robin Gronovius
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Get a 2x4 about the length of a rifle, stencil the words "I left my rifle unattended" and make him carry the 2x4 around for the week.
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LTC Robin Gronovius
LTC Robin Gronovius
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Easier than dealing with the rubber duck rifle. In today's world, a rubber duck might cause a little too much distress when carrying it around base or at local restaurants off post. The label may make other soldiers take note and immediately answers the question of why he's toting around a piece of wood.
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SGT Richard Gocio
SGT Richard Gocio
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Have the soldier perform a close order drill with the 2x4 after every formation. Have members of the platoon "practice their knowledge of drill and ceremony" by putting the soldier through the paces. Peer pressure does wonders.
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CPO Arthur Weinberger
CPO Arthur Weinberger
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Great comment.
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SFC Frank Hart
SFC Frank Hart
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Rubber duck or 2x4, which ever but restriction to company area for one week, a clean rubber duck or 2x4 is a happy one. no getting a friend to watch the "weapon" Oh I forgot no slings, strings or other carrying device. If it looks like a weapon i.e. rubber duck then restricted to barracks to hammer home the failure for the married SM or we can go the UCMJ route.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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Tether the weapon to them. If you aren't going to be doing training with the weapons for a while, find yourself a rubber duck (fake rifle) and tether that to the Soldier. Maybe make them report every so often with the weapon. Make sure that you always do a counseling with the corrective action laid out that way they know exactly what to expect. This is for both you and the Soldier.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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1LT William Clardy - I like the way you think.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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SGT Joseph Gunderson, disciplinary action which teaches nothing is a waste of time and effort, so if you're going to do it, do it right. Just like wall-to-wall counseling should be reserved for the good troop that you're willing to bet a stripe on him learning to not repeat a mistake.
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1SG Dave Carello
1SG Dave Carello
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You truly took the words outa my mouth Sarge. Rubber ducks are wonderful thing, and they don't rust in the shower HINT!
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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1SG Dave Carello - I believe that almost every NCO who has dealt with a similar situation would have thought up something along the same lines.
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What is an effective and creative corrective action for a soldier left a weapon unattended?
CW3 Jeff Held
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Losing a weapon or other sensitive item is a very serious infraction.

If this Troop was a soup sandwich this would be their last hurrah. If you’ve never been locked down because some knuckle head lost a weapon, NOD, SOI/CEOI, or a comm ‘fill’ then you have no idea the kind of shit stew that results from that persons stupidity. I might even hit up the CoC (starting with Top) to see what their pleasures were. Otherwise no need to hang ‘em from a flagpole.

So; what to do about it? Even if this Troop was your very best and had a brain fart I would give them the worst SAC (serious ass chewing) they could have ever imagined. Make you point, make it clear, make it stick, and be done with it. If something like that happened again I would have serious doubts about this persons ability to be promoted to given increased responsibility.

I’ve done some really stupid shit and made it through with the occasional shoe leather injection on my 6.
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MSG Louis Alexander
MSG Louis Alexander
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Seriously Jeff! You think that would teach him a lesson? Some soldier's these days let words go through one ear and out the other. Ten minutes later he would have forgotten that ass chewing. But hey Pal, If you spoke like James Earl Jones with that deep, penetrating threatening voice, it might work.
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SFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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The army corrective action today takes the "nutless pussy" approach. Just put it on paper and be done with it. Anything else (Anything effective) will get you in trouble so it's not worth it. Gone are the days where Soldiers aren't absolute pansies so honestly you probably shouldn't even bother.
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MAJ Don Bigger
MAJ Don Bigger
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While I was still in boot camp (1970), I took my eyes off my rifle (M14) for no more than a minute. Next thing I knew, my DI had it. I can’t say I remember everything that happened after that, but I do know I showered with it, ate with it, slept with it, marched with it every where I went, took it to every class, etc. I don’t know what you can do today, but to this day I remember the lesson. And to this day I have never lost control of a weapon in my possession.
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SFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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Indeed it is. Yet you realize that is absolutely unacceptable in today's softer Army? I prefer your method and I wish it could be done that way. But alas, reality is not always what we want it to be.
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MSG Louis Alexander
MSG Louis Alexander
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SFC (Join to see) - That's what happens when bleeding heart liberal and progressives infiltrate the government ranks ...nothing!
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MSG Louis Alexander
MSG Louis Alexander
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MAJ Don Bigger - So it became your love partner huh - lol
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SPC David Willis
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Tie everything down to their belt Weapon, wallet, dog tags, patrol cap and anything else you can think of. Make them all inspectable items. Full battle rattle can be worn for added effect.
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MSG Louis Alexander
MSG Louis Alexander
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Willis, you're going to be an outstanding NCO!
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MAJ Haris Balcinovic
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Carrying this for a week should do the trick
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CW5 Jack Cardwell
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I secured the weapon, removed the bolt carrier group. Soldier was in panic looking for M4. Returned M4, instructed solider to do function check ( kinda hard to do with out bolt carrier group). After that embarrassing moment bolt carrier was returned. Soldier also had the pleasure of cleaning one of sections weapons a day. A few weeks later solider left his loaded magazines when he went to chow ... but that's another story!
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CWO3 Us Marine
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Let SM pack weapon 24/7 for a few days, with authority from Command and Armory. If he's a potential nut case or stress monster, put a trigger lock on it to prevent him from harming others.
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SGT Aric Lier
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I see a lot of rubber ducks.... We used a similar approach however they had to earn the right to a rubber duck as they were not responsible enough for a weapon real or fake. we made them carry a company gag gun made of plywood or PVC painted pink and neon orange labeled so everyone knew. they then had to lead Sgt.s time on the importance of security etc etc for a few weeks
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