Posted on Sep 24, 2015
SPC James Seigars
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I am asking this because I was on the VA website and saw where it has me listed as having PTSD, but have it down as non-combat related since it stems from SGT Akbar (AKA Mark Kools) killing at least 2 and wounding 12-14 soldiers/officers at camp Pennsylvania before we went into Iraq. I know we weren't techniquely in combat yet since we were in Kuwait & not Iraq, but he was fighting against us so I would think that would make it combat related. What are your thoughts?
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SSG Katherine Likely
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I think any time you are overseas in a military position - the military sent you there - any injury should be listed as combat relate - behind lines. This would show you were in another place besides the states - on a military mission - but not on the combat line.
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LCpl Jesse Foust
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Among other places, I was stationed in Okinawa Japan for a year in 2002-2003. I don't think that should qualify. Modern combat doesn't really have "lines". 4th Generation Warfare really makes it impossible to have them.
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SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson
SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson
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I agree with LCpl Jesse Foust . Oversees I was stationed in Korea and Germany. Other than a few riots that put us in lock down in Korea there was nothing that could be remotely considered combat related. Breaking up fights between grunts and jar heads was about as close as it got. There are many oversees stations that are not combat related like Europe. Since there are no "lines" anymore the military needs to redefine what's considered a combat zone. If I understand correctly at the time of the attack on SPC James Seigars the area was defined as a combat zone, not a staging area. In this time of lone wolf attacks and terrorists, crimes committed by US military personnel should fall under combat related. At the moment of the attack they become the enemy and should be designated as such. If an attack is made whether with a weapon or a grenade it's pretty clear it wasn't an "oops." Personally I think the government doesn't want to change it because they would be admitting failure and a breakdown in the Command.
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SSG Katherine Likely
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that is why, gentlemen - the two key words are - behind lines. This says, yes - you were oversea and any illness or accident that you acquire should be covered by the military.

So, are you saying - that because your role was not directly combat challenged nor was or is - their aren't any doubts in your mind that it could ever become a combat position - you should receive no military medical services?
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LCpl Jesse Foust
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I'm sorry Katherine, I don't recall saying that. Maybe both of us should reread what I wrote just to be sure... Ok... Nope, I didn't. Just as I thought. What I said was, not everything in the military is combat related. I guess I assumed you already knew that. As I said, there are no solid lines on a modern battlefield. I've had friends on base injured by suicide and indirect fire attacks. They were technically behind lines (Baghdad green zone). Your definition does not work in the real world.
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SGT Felicia King
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I always understood combat as under enemy fire. Kuwait is a peace keeping mission. And upon entry to Iraq (a war zone), you fly into Kuwait (green zone). The fire you withstood came from friendly fire, though it came from a disgruntled soldier, that soldier was meant to be fighting with you and not against you.
I believe it has something to do with location and enemy fire.
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COL John Hudson
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James...look at this as "Ask The IG." The issue is, at its heart, whether or not an incident is deemed workplace violence or an act of terrorism. I suggest you review the full story of Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan who killed 13 service members at Ft. Hood and the resultant congressional actions that occurred later. It's understood that traumatic stress by itself is not restricted to combat situations exclusively and can affect anyone exposed to traumatic events anywhere. Unfortunately, to be "service connected" and subject to VA Benefits the situation must fall within the definition as given by current regulation and VA guidelines which are generally combat related. All incidents are reviewed on a case by case basis and judged accordingly. I suggest you file an appeal to the VA including all of the evidence you have and explain why you believe your case should be vetted as "service connected," including exactly what benefits you feel you should receive as a result.
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PTSD is not in and of itself disqualifying from combat duty.......if your symptoms are not debilitating you may be qualified to go....if they are seek help and get qualified....soldiers (the collective we) deploy....it's our job if you cant do it ....it may be time to retire, or separate.
SPC Tyree Cooper
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Combat related means it happened during a deployment in the theater of operations .
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CPT Topher Murphy
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A couple issues here: is this a C&P exam stating this? Is this your mental health provider saying this? What do you mean "VA website"? The way the law is written it talks about "fear of hostile military or terrorist activity, ". If SGT Akbar was not defined as a terrorist then by law the rater would probably move that way. However it's important that you receive help with whatever is ailing you.
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The problem is, even if you were in the next tent over when he conducted his grenade attack, and you suffered shrapnel wounds, you wouldn't be awarded a purple heart since it isn't considered "enemy action."

On the other hand, people have service-related injuries from doing PT, so this definitely seems like a grey area, especially where mental health is concerned. The problem with PTSD is, it's hard to prove, so it's often viewed in the lens of what you were actually exposed to. Since you were not there, your PTSD claim seems no different than people who watched a terror attack on the news and suddenly felt the urge to duct tape the seals on their windows.

Yes, bad things can happen while deployed. If you watched 9/11 footage prior to a deployment and it had the same effect, they still wouldn't consider it service-related, because it was something everyone was able to see, not just those who serve. It's not a question of whether or not it could cause PTSD, but whether or not access to what caused it was service related.
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SPC James Seigars
SPC James Seigars
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SSG Ryan Prophet I can understand what you are saying but the problem is that I WAS there. He killed my combat buddy, friend, whatever you want to call it and almost killed/wounded me right after, but I got behind a concrete Column before he could. So it is not the same thing as someone claiming PTSD from watching the 9/11 attacks on tv or an old John Wayne war movie like "Sands of Iwo Jima" at all. Sorry if I didn't explain it well enough in my post for you to see I was there when this happened.
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SPC James Seigars - I misunderstood what you meant based on what you stated. In that case, yes, I think it should be service related. Going back to what I stated to qualify what I would personally consider service related, if a Soldier can claim tendonitis from running too much, and it be service related, then your PTSD should be as well.
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SPC James Seigars
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SSG (Join to see) - Thank you. I was trying to not draw out my question to much by omitting many of the details, but I may have been better off & clearer if I had written down all or most of the incident.
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