Posted on Sep 26, 2021
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A soldier in my section has had real world shoulder problems his whole military career. I guess the PA lessened his restrictions over time. He felt the need to change something in his profile which surprised me because he really never was a bad soldier. Someone caught wind of it and I guess our company commander is going to handle it. What punishment is he likely to receive?
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Depends on the commander. I was in a class once where a female cadet, Ms. Pamela J. Hall lied on more than one DA 2823 to try and save her own behind from being recycled. She put the blame on "dealing with this classmate" that she said "visited her house" and "gave her a package" while she was away during Christmas Exodus. Turn out she lived somewhere in the state of Kansas he lived in Michigan, and the class was in Georgia. She admitted to lying in court much later while being sued for defamation after the commander, Mr. Carl Bergaman refused to have any investigation done (willful ignorance I think they call it) and made an attempt at separating the then 2nd Lt as an enlisted soldier under a chapter 12 without any due process. The girl? She did not get recycled. She moved on to her OBC and until the young gentleman sued her in court for losing his career, she probably did not think another thing about it.
So it really depends on the commander and what they want to do. Me, I would have court martialed the commander for that kind of negligence or at least for bad judgement.
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SPC Vonnie Jones
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Sad to say the least ART 15, the rest depends on the Commander.
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SFC Robert Sloan
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I am guessing that the profile was a hand written one from a company/battalion medic. Their actions show a lack of integrity. Most likely will get an article 15 for falsifying official documents.
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SFC Bill Sutherland
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Time keepers are the key, we would never allow the Orginial to go with the soldier and all records are rechecked and for that reason, are held at Company/brigade/division level. But as far as punishment that’s up to each individual NCO/Ic or Company Commander.
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SSgt Steven Stone
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Article 15, falsification of an official government document- reduction in rank and suspension of pay and allowances for a period of time with some EPD in there somewhere I’m sure would be my opinion. This of course is based upon the my time in the USMC which had been many moons ago. May have changed how they do things nowadays
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SPC Jason Halper
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I agree with all the comments below. The integrity issue always comes up as the ultimate sin, especially in the military. If the change was made for a malicious or selfish reason, it’s likely the person will be in significant amounts of trouble. When changes are made to an official record, that official record can determine current and future promotional opportunities, benefits, really serving as the foundation for anything the soldier earns or needs in the future. If it was done to avoid some sort of punishment or alternative assignment, it is still a selfish reason however there may be leeway based on the soldiers personal intent . If it was done on a unintentional platform, I don’t see anything very harsh happening however violating integrity is always the key issue here. I saw this happen in one of my units where a soldier was changing purchase orders to sell materials ordered by the unit on the Korean black market. He was subsequently caught and subject to all sorts of fun remedies. The biggest issue here is the soldier needs to understand that integrity is the foundation of the military.
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SFC Rollie Hubbard
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Maybe article 15
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SGT Charles Graham
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PROBABLY GO TO THE BATTALION COMMANDER FOR A BATTALION ARTICLE 15. OUTSIDE CHANCE OF A SUMMARY COURT MARTIAL.
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SSG James Knopp
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An alternative to soldiers trying to change up to make career consequences on their own would admit their shortcomings, but work something out with the higher ups. Just because you can’t achieve or surpass the Army’s standards all the time doesn’t mean you are a bad soldier. The punishment sometimes doesn’t fit the crime.
My last decade in the military was served along side Army pilots. On more than one occasion I saw AFTP scoresheet “pencilwhipped” so they didn’t get grounded. Does that make him less of a pilot? I think not.
While I was on an out of state assignment I stopped by to see my aging and ailing father and stayed longer than I should. When I got back to my unit my 1SG and Co worked with me and gave me two weeks of extra duty instead of me having a black mark in my records because they saw in me a good soldier.
If your a good soldier then try to work it out. Maybe the soldier in question could of been moved to a different area of expertise. All humans, in my mind, are capable of being kind and somehow good at something. As we may think, soldiers aren’t “supermen”. Although, some are better trained.
That being said, some where some time we have all made mistakes in our lives. Most of us are better for it.
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SFC Antonio Baird
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The question should be what is the appropriate punishment for their alteration of official records. An excellent tool that is grossly overlooked is a Bar To Reenlist. It spells out why the Soldier was barred from reenacting, how long it will be in effect, and the type of discharge they would receive if they don't shape up. In addition, an Article 15 with suspended reduction in rank, and a forfeiture of some kind may be appropriate. Finally, the first O6 in their chain for command can withdraw their "regular pass privileges." In plain English, this would restrict them to the base, the PX, and place of worship. Hope this helps.
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