Posted on May 13, 2015
CH (MAJ) William Beaver
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Well, it may seem alot different now.....but we are back in Iraq. So....what sort of exit strategy do we have with Iraq now?
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Cpl Jeff N.
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I'd be more interested in seeing our Victory Strategy. We worry more about getting out (Exit Strategy) that getting the job done sometimes (mostly politicians).

I am not sure anyone has articulated our strategy in Iraq clearly. We are hitting ISIS sites ad hoc. We have some forces on the ground but not enough to do any realy damage. Iran is in Iraq, the Russians support Iran. We have foreign fighters (ISIS) all over a large swath. Atrocities out the wazoo. A situation created by our departure from there with no stabilizing force (you can argue the merits of a residual force).
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1SG Michael Blount
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Cpl Jeff N. - we left Iraq because there was no SOFA in place. Listening to his version of the Tea Party, Malaki wanted us out of Iraq - bag and baggage. Not too soon after that, things fell apart.
My suggestion would be to at least push ISIS back into Syria - let them become Assad's problem - and then leave.
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Cpl Jeff N.
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1SG Michael Blount. It was our job to get the SOFA. I think Biden had lead on that. Not having the vision, leadership and determination to get that done has cost us many of the gains in Iraq and thousands of innocent people their lives.

Pushing back ISIS to Syria will require a large land force. This administration shows no desire to do that. I would agree with your premise that pushing them back to Syria while killing as many of them as humanly possible would be a good goal. Someone would have to secure that porous border though. I thought there was a plan for us to train up a force to combat ISIS, I wonder where that plan is in regard to completion?
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1SG Michael Blount
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Cpl Jeff N. - I don't recall who had lead. I DO remember being there and, reading the Iraqi press - they were pressuring Maliki to send us packing.
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MSG(P) Ncoic
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Agree, you can't make a country accept your terms of a SOFA agreement. That is why we are gone.
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SPC Charles Brown
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Walk out the front door, lock it from the outside, nail the door shut, drop the keys in the sand miles from anyone, and walk the f away leaving the inmates in charge of their own asylum.
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PO1 Jason Taylor
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You know as well as the rest of us, we will be there forever!
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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As much as it pains me, I have to agree with you. I'm trying to think of a time that we have ever gotten involved in a war and didn't end up remaining in that country "forever" ...
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TSgt David L.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad, I said the same thing while I was there. No lasting peace will be possible without maintaining a force there. Afghanistan is the same way. The Soviets proved that when they left. Nothing but a power vacuum which resulted in what was present when we went in. Iraq will be no different. ISIS loves what we did...
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MSgt James Mullis
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We're still in Germany, we're still in Japan, we're still in Italy, and we're still in Korea. Anybody who thought there was (or could be) a quick "in and out" solution has been proven wrong. Of course their is another solution, which ISIS seems to be following, "Kill 'em all and let Allah sort it out".
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What is our current exit strategy from Iraq?
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I almost vomited when I read "Soooo....NOW what is our current exit strategy from Iraq?"

I'm reminded of numerous facts, histories, and narrative-tapestries woven-sophomoric by everyone around me. All sounding like experts with rock-solid ideas on how to win/stabilize/whatever. SMs, Veterans, politicians, students, teachers, journalists. . .. Everyone's unique experience and research providing them some key insight that SOMEHOW our leaders just missed. Meanwhile, bodies pile-up.

I'm not going to lie, I'm never going to get my head wrapped around this issue. I will say this: #*%! that place, and everyone who keeps fighting over it. I'd die once or a thousand times over if it brought stability to that cursed place (and just a little of that stability benefited America, of course). But it wouldn't. That's one of the reasons I declined re-enlistment, honestly.

CH (MAJ) William Beaver , my answer, as useless as it is unhelpful: Whatever the exit strategy is, it should happen asap.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
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Not useless or unhelpful. I think you're right in the sense that a bunch of Westerners trying to solve the problems of a people we hardly understand is the height of hubris. A lot of people think that if we'd just stayed longer or killed more liberally, all of Iraq's problems would be solved. As if a millenia of violent rivalries were just going to disappear when we offered them the democratic process instead. hahahahahahahahaha ha ha (ha)!
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SGT Jeremiah B. I understand your feelings exactly. And if I want a more educated or thoughtful opinion than that, my local community is useless. I live in rural parts of North Texas. I can tell you most of the stereotypes going through your head are probably true.

I just can't even laugh about it anymore. I think I need a break from society. News is starting to make me sick to my stomach.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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I have a strong feeling there is no exit strategy. I think one thing we can do is to stop arming all of the various groups who are the favorite of the moment.
Stop trying to reshape foreign governments into democracies and let these people run their own country because obviously their leaders do not want any real advice to bring their countries citizens into the modern world.
I say pull out and let them handle their own problems, they do not seem to want our help or advice but they certainly want our money and weapons.
Never smart to replace a caveman's flint knife with an automatic weapon.
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CPO Greg Frazho
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Let's call it what it is: we should've never left in the first place. The nay-sayers will say we should've never BEEN there in the first place. All good and fine, but that's academic at this point. We went in in 2003 after trying to forment a collapse from within after Desert Storm.

We made some mistakes. The CPA proved to be ineffective. We did a de-Ba'ath-ifaction of the political system which indirectly led to the insurgency, which itself led to the surge. Saddam and company are dead or ineffective now, but we inadvertently created a power vacuum that both Shia and Sunni sects have exploited.

Now we find ourselves in a bizarre hate triangle, perhaps even a quadrangle: Shia influence, backed by Iran, Sunni influence, spearheaded by ISIS as well as the Turks, Kurds and Syrians on the periphery or getting in the mix depending on what day of the week it is. In a lot of ways, this is the complete opposite of what we wanted: stability to protect the oil trade.

Mattis' talk on how and why Desert Storm was such a success is spot on: there were clearly stated and clearly understood political objectives and conditions that predicated the entire operation. That's why it was the post-WWII anomaly.
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I agree with Cpl Jeff N. , what is our victory strategy? If victory isn't the goal, that's fine, but what is the strategic goal? Without clearly defined goals it's very difficult to plan anything.
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CH (MAJ) William Beaver
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If there exists a victory strategy it hasn't been widely revealed yet
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Victory can be achieved if our Combatant Commanders were given the ability to allow it. In Turn, they would then, allow their Subordinates to be able to achieve the victory.
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CPO Greg Frazho
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When I was there in '05-'06 the strategic objectives were to create and maintain a democratically-elected government, make Iraq an ally in the War on Terror and to introduce the concept of federalism. Ambitious goals, to be sure. But there you have it.
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SCPO David Lockwood
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We will be there fo as long as it takes to rid the region and the world of ISIS. Unfortunately we have no idea as to how long this will take. Hopefully the other middle eastern countries will wake up see there is a major threat, that is not the US, to their livelihood who has no regard to life and does not care what religious faith you are.
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PO1 Matthew Maxon
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This is absolutely a religious war. These people want nothing more then turn the modern world back to the 9th Century and according to them we have 3 choices with Islam. 1. Covert. 2. Submit to Islamic rules and Laws. 3. Die. This is stated by them. Other Islamic factions need to fight this out between themselves and hopefully join modernity but TBH I don't think that is going to happen.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
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Arm and support the Kurds, let the Shia and Sunni duke it out until everyone has the realization that maybe, just maybe, trying to preserve lines on a map drawn by white guys a long time ago isn't the best way to do things.

Iraq will stabilize once it no longer exists. We're just going to have to convince Turkey and Shia Iraq that a wholly independent Kurdistan is for the best.
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MSgt James Mullis
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I like the concept in general. However, I'm afraid that the two sides will not stop until one side completely destroys the other and millions of innocent lives are lost.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
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I'm sure there will definitely be a lot of bloodshed. ISIS exists in part because of that divide. I'm just not sure it's avoidable. The tribal impulse of the two sects and the lack of a real shared identity are going to just lead to a cycle of conflict and oppression. The Shia majority will just raise up another Maliki and here we go again.

So my thinking is we back the horse we know can govern with decent fairness and will fight - the Kurds. I'm even okay with a small military commitment (I think that's going to be absolutely necessary since corruption hates to lose power). We then work with regional actors to help the other two groups sort their crap out.

It's FAR more complicated than that, of course. Oil rights, old feuds, Turkey, Iran and a billion other factors are at play. I'm just not convinced that the artificial state that is Iraq can be held together absent another psychotic secular dictator with a penchant for cruelty.
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I agree with you Jeremiah. In order to keep the nation state of Iraq together, another despotic leader must rise to power. The country's economy is not developed enough to sustain a concept of nation. As in South Korea after the war, Syngman Rhee had to establish an authoritarian regime and repress the very freedom of the South Koreans in order to overhaul the economy, raise the middle class, and set the economic conditions for democracy to flourish. It will take decades for Iraq to get there just as it did in South Korea...
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Stagecoach or a Checkered Cab.
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