Posted on Mar 11, 2016
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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RP Members, Connections, and Friends here is one of those questions that are still prevalent today that got lost in the black hole here on RallyPoint. I revived it for more RP Members to comment on.

Based on your Service Branch and your experience in the military what are some of the things you wished people understood about you as a person and what you experienced while being in the military?

Mine would be the Camaraderie you build as a Team or individually with those you have served with! Also, those you've lost along the path once traveled!

Don't Hold Back-Tell your Story RP Nation!
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SGT Dave Tracy
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That we operate as a team, not lone Hollywood style heroes.
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SPC Darren Koele
SPC Darren Koele
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A1C Melissa Jackson - I work with a Marine who won't let me live it down now that he knows I absolutely hated it. All done in fun though. Just another component of our inter-service "battle".
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A1C Melissa Jackson
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SPC Darren Koele
I get that such things are "good humor" but I, for one, grow bored with it. I don't like getting a ration of s*** from people from other services because I served in the Air Force. I don't like seeing people diminished for their service AT ALL.

It annoys me.
We were a TEAM that made things HAPPEN together. The idea that one service is better than another is the equivalent of the "Rambo" mentality that we don't need each other.
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SPC Darren Koele
SPC Darren Koele
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A1C Melissa Jackson - I guess the fortunate thing for me and my co worker is that when know where the line is drawn. We can't keep up our fun forever or it does get old and boring. Maybe once a week we'll hit each other with a "zinger" and leave it at that. When even that gets old, we'll gang up on another co worker, a Navy guy.
But you are correct, when it becomes a never ending litany verbal assaults, in jest or not, it is too much. What's worse is when someone actually believes their verbiage and thinks "their branch" is somehow better. I try to avoid those.
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A1C Melissa Jackson
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SPC Darren Koele -
That is right on the money!
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SGT Michael Thorin
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1. We never let each other down.

It didn't matter what color of skin, nationality or religion you were, you were my brother. The only way that I would ever let my brother down, would be when I breathed my last breath. Because until that happened, I would always fight for them.

2. We always picked each other up.

When one of us was down or upset, the others would pitch in to make sure that soldier had the motivation he needed to stand up and get back in the fact, not because they needed to, but because they actually cared enough to.

3. Our lives become intertwined.

In Afghanistan and Iraq, our 1 and 1 1/2 year deployments throughout the conflict meant that we were physically detached from our family's. This led to many interesting conversations about family. We did not do so to feign interest, we did so because it kept us connected.

4. Whether we liked it our not, we did what our leaders (which the general public would refer to as manager or a boss) requested.

We learned early from our service that a chain of command and a rank structure is the most efficient "management model", if you will. It is not designed to satisfy each soldier individually, it is designed to accomplish the mission. Many times, the desire to make each individual happy, you will eventually piss everyone off.

5. We are not "killers and murderers".

We were sent to perform a job, and we did it. Our government required of us to accomplish a mission, and you cannot accomplish those missions with Nurf Guns and plastic knives. We were professionals doing our job and keeping each other alive.

6. The phrase, "you have never defended my freedoms, especially by fighting in Iraq", is incredibly offensive and shows a greater level of ignorance of how the world works.

Every man and woman who has, is, or ever will serve this Great Nation has, is and will be fighting for your freedoms. Every one is a hero, a hero that wakes up every morning sacrificing a great deal of their freedoms by serving in a military that stands to every day and tells all other nations that "we are ready for you, and you will not take our people or our Constitution and freedoms.

In closing, there are many people who walk around to day, and when their boss asks them to do something, that laugh it off and threaten to sue because "it looks and feels like he is targeting me."

Soldiers have lived through orders that they didn't like, but they did them, and they grew as men and women.

We didn't sell each other out, and we understood that our "bosses" weren't there to make us happy, they were there to get missions accomplished. It was our job, the NCO's job, to keep morale up while accomplishing the mission. Admittedly, there were many times it was a chess game, and also a few that were much like checkers.

Our Nation and our freedoms are most certainly being protected by the very existence of our military.

If you want to prove it; get rid of our military and see just how long it will be until we are overrun by Russia, China, heck, maybe even Canada.

I am, of course, joking a bit with using Canada, but I am sure we all get the point.

The very people who criticize our military and our National Defense budget, will be the first ones cursing when our military is no longer considered a World Power.
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CPO Todd Shene
CPO Todd Shene
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Outstanding explanation Sgt Torin!
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Spot on with all points!

Thanks for taking the time to lay it out there.
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SFC Management
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That what they see on the news and read about in the newspaper isn't everything.

But unfortunately as immersed as society is in social media and news constantly at your fingertips it would be irrelevant and useless to try and explain any different to them.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SFC (Join to see) How true - thanks for responding!
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LTC Jason Mackay
LTC Jason Mackay
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Or on a more macro level, we don't pick the fights, OUR (all Americans, not just Military) elected leaders decide the who, when, and where of Military conflicts.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
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I don't like it that people think because i'm not active duty that I'm no longer a Marine.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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LCpl Mark Lefler Once a Marine always a Marine. I feel the same way once a Soldier always a Soldier! Hoo Rah!
https://youtu.be/xLw73qBUMYw
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I agree. Once a Marine, Always a Marine.
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SrA Bruce Bustin
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Same here! Once an Airman, always an Airman! HUA!
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SPC(P) Alexandra Hinds
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As I have noticed throughout my Military career (as short lived as it may be compared to some of you ergo, thank you for your Service), the most prominent response I get when being complimented and/or being locked in a heated discussion is how these people seem to believe that we enlisted to fight (and enjoy) the conflict/violence on the battlefield, the paychecks and the travel. Yes, I do believe that there are some members out there who somehow get the utmost joy out of the killings and what I mentioned above. However, I cannot and will not believe that they are averaged in with the vast majority of the Military population.
Most do not enlist for the deployments or the paychecks. For the personnel who truly believe that we are using our title as United States service-members for our own personal gain, shame on you.
For those doing such a thing, shame on us.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SPC(P) Alexandra Hinds Thanks for sharing your thoughts. For me it was about doing something for my country, like my Dad, and his brothers who all volunteered for the WWII, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. I really enjoyed serving, helping soldiers achieve their goals, being a mentor, a commander, a leader, a coach, and yes a friend in a lot of cases to individuals that served with me in many different units. I wouldn;t trade that for all the money or tea in China! I enjoy keeping that tradition alive and well her on RallyPoint by helping veterans in any small way I can. You have mentioned a few things that are true about some, but I don't think for the majority of us here on RallyPoint and there are thousand of veterans that aren't even on this site today that are just as committed to serving for the right reasons. Off my soap box now - thanks
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I joined because I love our country and felt it was my duty to serve. I also felt strongly about supporting South Vietnam, so my course was set.
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SPC David S.
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I think one of the biggest and hardest things for most civilians to understand is why we serve. I think many often construe our service with the destructive nature associated with war. We're neanderthals blood lusting for war. The truth is that under our austere appearance we are just like the rest of society - we love, feel pain, have dreams and really desire peace probably more than most.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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SPC David S. I'm up actually at 0400 hours daily - can't get it out of my system and you forget the 0-dark 30 morning run!!!
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SPC David S.
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Sir I'm still folding my skivvies 6 by 6 -
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
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My daughter married a Marine and he told her socks go here, shorts go here, etc. She said, you are a Marine and I am not so I wash and you put away your own dam clothes. Father advice, DON"T TAKE ANY SHIT FROM ANYBODY.
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SPC David S.
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To funny, and great advice - because of my OCD - my laundry is my problem.
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SSG Jeremy Kohlwes
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That we we were all just people doing a job, not some glorified heroes trying to save the world.
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SSgt Airman
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One of the things that I wish people could understand that most of us don't do it for recognition or praise. We do it out of a sense of duty and honor.
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Agreed!
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LTC Hardware Test Engineer
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That most of us are here because we chose to be here and not because we "couldn't get a real job"...
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LTC Jason Mackay
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I wish people at large understood that we can learn just about anything, quickly. Wish they also understood that our certification, experience, and training that sounds kinda like the civilian thing is close enough and we can do it well with out much transition.
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