Posted on Jul 16, 2016
What is the best path forward after being informed you're being considered for QMP?
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A friend of mine has been on active duty for 16 years. Due to deployments, PCS, and forced re-class it was difficult to get a class date for ALC. He finally got one for next year, but has just been informed that he is being considered for QMP for failure to attend NCOES requirements for his grade. What is the best path forward in this situation? He's a great leader and he only has four years left until retirement. I'd hate to see yet another great leader pushed out when there has already been such a mass exodus in recent years.
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SGT (Join to see) ,
In all honesty and frankness, one should be prepared at 16 years because retirement today is not promised. Yet it best for your friend to begin to focus on posturing himself for the next chapter coupled with ensuring he continues to take care of his team members. However, if he has a good leadership team, they will be both empathetic and understanding of his circumstance in which they will afford him the time to slowly phase him self out to prepare and ultimately focus on himself and family (if applicable) without seeming selfish. Now is the time to maximize the SFL-TAP Transition Assistance Program. Lastly, if he is not fully ready to exit, he can always looking into Army Reserve or National Guard options if available. But above all, be ready to close this chapter and open a new one. Hope this helps and best of luck moving forward.
In all honesty and frankness, one should be prepared at 16 years because retirement today is not promised. Yet it best for your friend to begin to focus on posturing himself for the next chapter coupled with ensuring he continues to take care of his team members. However, if he has a good leadership team, they will be both empathetic and understanding of his circumstance in which they will afford him the time to slowly phase him self out to prepare and ultimately focus on himself and family (if applicable) without seeming selfish. Now is the time to maximize the SFL-TAP Transition Assistance Program. Lastly, if he is not fully ready to exit, he can always looking into Army Reserve or National Guard options if available. But above all, be ready to close this chapter and open a new one. Hope this helps and best of luck moving forward.
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SGT (Join to see)
Thanks for your response SSG. From what I have read, it seems like the code for a QMP discharge is an unwaiverable disqualifier for re-enlistment in the Guard or Reserves.
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SSG Derrick L. Lewis MBA, C-HRM
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If that is to be the case, as a friend; you can only encourage and support from here. Ensure that he takes advantage of the time left in order to be best equipped for the next chapter with the least amount of time. This can be certifications at this point. CLEP for college credits. Anything to give an advantage moving forward. Your encouragement and friendship is strongly warranted at this point. Best of luck.
If that is to be the case, as a friend; you can only encourage and support from here. Ensure that he takes advantage of the time left in order to be best equipped for the next chapter with the least amount of time. This can be certifications at this point. CLEP for college credits. Anything to give an advantage moving forward. Your encouragement and friendship is strongly warranted at this point. Best of luck.
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SGM Matthew Quick
Separation through QMP does not qualify an NCO for enlistment into our reserve component...they'll also only receive half separation pay.
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The best path forward is that your friend needs to graduate ALC before the QMP board meets. If he does that he will be removed from the QMP list.
Outside of that, your friend should start to transition. There's no exception to policy for QMP. They won't be eligible for Reserve Component.
Outside of that, your friend should start to transition. There's no exception to policy for QMP. They won't be eligible for Reserve Component.
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Thank you SFC. That was a very concise answer. I am not knowledgable on the QMP process, although I have tried to find more information. If the soldier is notified that they are being considered for QMP, does the board actually "consider" the soldier's packet and any extenuating circumstances, or do they just look to see if the soldier failed to fix the deficiency for which they were identified?
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Honestly, it's a mystery. I can tell you from the results I've seen, the board only retained members who corrected the deficiency, items where the QMP terms weren't applied correctly (failed 1059 for non-NCOES), and occasionally 4 block NCOERS.
Items like not completing NCOES, or failing, were never retained.
I suggest a letter to the board showing that all of his deletions were command initiated.
I think the current statistic is that 1/4-1/3 of Soldiers notified for QMP are retained. So, the board is reviewing packets thoroughly.
Items like not completing NCOES, or failing, were never retained.
I suggest a letter to the board showing that all of his deletions were command initiated.
I think the current statistic is that 1/4-1/3 of Soldiers notified for QMP are retained. So, the board is reviewing packets thoroughly.
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That's how I was selected to be retained by the QMP board. I fixed the issue and had a letter to the board by my leadership. Also, what is the PERSTEMPO for the ALC class. My career field only has 2 ALC and 2 SLC classes a year. The classes themselves are only three weeks long. So if you don't make it to one you were screwed for a year...
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I don't know if my ex was hit with QMP, but after being promoted to SSG, he spent 5 years trying to get to BNCOC due to deployments, TDY, field exercises. He had multiple class dates that he was forced to cancel by his leadership because they felt his attendance was not a priority. He finally got a DA ordered class date in conjunction with PCS orders, that way his unit couldn't make him cancel, they'd have to go through DA to change it.
To my memory, there isn't much the individual can do about the QMP. They will look at his record to decide if he is lacking. They'll see that he has a class date scheduled, and hopefully they will also see that it has been military duties preventing him from attending NCOES, not a lack of effort on his part. They'll also look at his overall history to see if he is a subpar Soldier, average, or above average that has been fighting the machine we call the Big Army. I'm not sure if he can write a statement as to why he is just now getting a class date schedule, have him check with his 1 shop, I think they'd have the answer.
Tell him to just keep moving forward with his career path like as if he isn't being looked at, be the best he can be, and schedule other training as well if possible, whether it is MOS related or not.
To my memory, there isn't much the individual can do about the QMP. They will look at his record to decide if he is lacking. They'll see that he has a class date scheduled, and hopefully they will also see that it has been military duties preventing him from attending NCOES, not a lack of effort on his part. They'll also look at his overall history to see if he is a subpar Soldier, average, or above average that has been fighting the machine we call the Big Army. I'm not sure if he can write a statement as to why he is just now getting a class date schedule, have him check with his 1 shop, I think they'd have the answer.
Tell him to just keep moving forward with his career path like as if he isn't being looked at, be the best he can be, and schedule other training as well if possible, whether it is MOS related or not.
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SGT (Join to see)
Something similar happened to my friend. He had multiple class dates that his leadership canceled due to other people having priority. On top of that he had two deployments that were canceled, one that he actually went on, and only got a class date in conjunction with his PCS, unfortunately not until after his training is completed in his forced reclass.
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