Posted on Jan 10, 2016
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My daughter is wanting to join the military. She wants to fly She has 126 semester hrs on a Corporate Communications Degree . What route is better, Warrant or 2LT?? Air Force, Army, USMC, Navy or CG
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CW2 UH-60M Pilot
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Go Army! Drop a Warrant Officer Flight Training (WOFT) packet at your local recruiter and if your daughter gets selected, flight school is her path. If she doesn't get selected she isn't stuck in an MOS and military commitment wishing she could fly. Then continue to improve her WOFT packet and submit it again. In the Army, Warrant Officer Aviators fly for their career, whereas Commissioned Aviators start to go into leadership positions (not much flying) around the rank of Captain. I researched the Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, Marines, Merchant Marines, before I decided to drop a WOFT packet with the Army. Haven't regretted it yet.
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That is what we are doing thanks to the advice I received here.. RP is a great resource for just about anything Military related.. She tok the Flight Aptitude Test on the Computer and got a 71.. This old Grunt/MP was very proud of his off spring this week. They told her she could be a fight crewmen ..she said Do they get to fly or just ride.. they said ride.. she said NOPE.. I hear the Navy calling down the hall, What else you got... LOL
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Lol freakin Navy. Fly Army!
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The problem with Army recruiters is that a good majority of them either don't know that the WOFT program even exists, or don't want to do the work for it because it doesn't count toward their quota... although I've heard the quota thing has changed recently. Even still a lot of recruiters are not aware of the WOFT program and the fact that individuals can go "street to seat". You need to tell the specifically that's what you want and the recruiter can't say no, if she meets the criteria then they put together a Warrant packet for her and she either gets selected or not by the board... not the recruiter.
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You'll probably get the responses you need. I am a warrant in flight school right now. If you have any questions I can help with send me a message.
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What did you do prior or to prepare you packet.. Letters of recommendation,, Classes .. etc.. anything that we can do to make her stand out.. She is all ready an All State Star Athlete in track and field..
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Is she smart? At the top of her class? There is a lot of competition to be a pilot, at least in the Army. What would her career goals be? Does she want her career focused on flying or does she want to eventually be a commander? Does she want to go Active duty or Guard?
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She want to fly ..do her 20 or more then retired flying life flight,, Active or Guard.. wherever she can go to fly..That is all she wants to do. 3.8 GPA, Deans list last 4 yrs. National Honor Society, and offered and application for MENSA ..yes she is smart. A very fast learner, borderline photographic memory, can read a book and tell you pretty much word for word and page number, paragraph.. so, YES, she is smart.
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warrant, they fly all the time.
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Thats what I keep hearing.. But who do they work for.. does anybody know..lol
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SSG Stokes-The one consistent thing about military aviation pipelines is that they have high attrition rates. The Naval Aviation (to include Marine Aviation) syllabus is probably among the most difficult, as Naval or Marine Corps fixed-wing Aviators have to do everything an Air Force pilot has to do...plus do it from a carrier at sea. I've no experience with the Army Aviation program, but I've enough friends who went through it to surmise that the aviation specific challenges are no less arduous.

Personally, I feel the most "dicey" way of going about it is to pursue a full commission through ROTC or the Academy before wining a contract. You've four years of intensive study, physical training and leadership development before "jumping off", and then, as much as another two years before you get to a squadron...that's a long road with lots of chances to end up losing your career along the way.

OCS is probably the best way heading into the Navy...if flying is what you want more than anything else. She'll get to the VTs faster, with more energy available, so to speak. However, there are downsides in terms of comparing that route in terms of the overall career.

Ultimately, flight school is tough...real tough. If someone is uncomfortable in the water, struggles with mathematics or sciences, and doesn't have excellent memorization skills...it's very long odds making it through all three phases of SNA or SNFO. I had plenty of Air Force students doing the water survival portion alongside me...so I don't know that there's any factor of the first two phases that would differ much between services. Most of the guys I know who made it past Intermediate didn't choke out on the boat...we lost most folks at API or Primary.

One thing I'd have done different? Getting a private pilot's license on the civil side would've informed me a great deal more about the challenges of flying, navigating and communicating...and helped me know which weaknesses to focus on most. I entered the program expecting API's physical demands, particularly water survival (I wasn't a strong swimmer) to be my nemesis...I handled those pretty well. Doing fuel consumption calcs while talking to two controllers and short-tempered instructor pilot proved more devastating for me personally.
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It seems the attrition rates are lower than they used to be, but I couldn't really disagree with anything else you've stated. Comms while doing mental math and memorizing SOP/FWOP/3710/NATOPS are by far the hardest parts of learning naval aviation.
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One update: Written words often lose context...Let me be clear that I'm in no way be-smirching the careers of OCS officers. Frankly, some of the best and most successful career officers I've ever known were OCS. What I meant to imply is that an Academy or ROTC Midshipman has more time to "decide" on what path to follow for service selections that may lead to flag/general officer rank while "living" inside the military mindset...which, is again, just my opinion.
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Mr. Jones-From what I understand, the attrition rates have gone down significantly since my day due to more focus on selection than filling billets. I obtained by spot at SNFO based almost entirely on there being "one more spot" than qualified (academically) applicants from my class. I actually had one senior SWO on my board desperately try to "talk me out of it"...the senior member of my interview board even told me that under most circumstances, he'd never approve it, but "felt I had the dedication" (insert life altering guilt trip a few years later). As you and I both seem to know...there are "hard" skills no amount of perseverance can overcome the lack of sometimes; at least not in the time frames established by funding and manning.
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There are definitely a few aviation skills that you either have or don't. I'm not sure how much someone can be taught multitasking or mental trigonometry when you get maybe 10 seconds to figure out if your crosswind is in limits. Any talents, though, only soften the blow of studying. The most talented guys in the world can't get anywhere if they don't know NATOPS, obviously. I'm just glad flight school is over and it's no longer the end of the world if I don't know an answer.
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SrA Matthew Knight
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All depends on what she feels she would want to fly. I want to say every branch has rotary although the Air Force doesn't have Warrant Officers so she'd have to go for a full commission for us. Army does offer Warrant Officer Aviation positions to non-prior service, not sure about the other branches. For fixed wing although the Army does have fixed wing she'd be better off in one of the others. Marines, Navy and Air Force all have fighters so at that point it just becomes which ever branch she would prefer. If she'd rather fly larger jets the Air Force has far more than the rest in that regard. The Air Force also has a large need for Drone Pilots at the moment if that's something she'd be interested in. I think I remember reading something at one point that said that drone pilots do their few years on drones and then usually move to manned aircraft so it wouldn't be a horrible route to take.

Again it depends on what she wants to fly but there are plenty of different opportunities out there from every branch.
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There are rumors (just that, nothing more, so please don't read too much into what I'm about to say) that the Air Force my POSSIBLY bring back Warrant Officers to fly RPA's (Remotely Piloted Aircraft) or drones. The AF has decided to start training enlisted RPA pilots, and there is some talk about making those pilots Warrant Officers.

However, it sounds like your girl wants to "really" fly, as in a real cockpit physically flying the plane and not remotely piloting a plane?
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I have been hearing the AF Warrant coming back for 15 yrs. now.. Hope it does happen..
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The Air Force would need old Squids like me to train them on Warrant Officer recognition, LOL. I work for the Air National Guard. Ironically for a unit that flies RPA's.
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My son wants to only fly fixed wing. He does not want to be a fighter pilot. He has done 4 years Jr. AFROTC and has his private and instruments license. He has been accepted into Embry Riddle and we are trying to determine whether he should go to school first or enlist. He may not be the best in academics; however, he is keen and passionate about his career. Now we just need the path. Recommendations?
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How close is she to graduation? She will need a degree to become a 2LT in order to fly in the USAF.
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She has half of a semester or 9 hours left. She is in her 5th year.. She is going for her B Bachelors in Corporate Communications. Is on the Deans list, National Honor Society
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SSG (Join to see), I knew what specialty I would be assigned when I went to OTS, but that was 49 years ago; it is probably different today. If she wants to be a pilot the recruiter should be able to tell her if she qualifies and if slots are open.
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SSgt Jim Gilmore
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No warrants in the USAF anymore...2Lt...
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Warrant Officer is the best rank in the military. Earning the rank means you are a recognized specialist in a field. The WO Corp is the most well trained specialized Officers in all the services. Army, Navy, Marines, (sorry, Air Force! You don't have any. How unfortunate). I have been a Warrant since 1983 and am still flying. I would not have gone any other way. Commissioned officers will fly in line units, with the majority of their time up to the rank of O3. After that, mostly staff jobs with a lot less flying.

Flying is a WO's job for his career plus career tracks like Aviation Safety Officer, Instructor Pilot, Maintenance Test Pilot, and others.
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