Posted on Nov 30, 2015
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Most of the time, it is only a handful of notes that your squad leader could've updated you with. However, there are times when there is important notes that need to be put out and answered right on the spot. Please, feel free to share your experiences with this notorious dilemma.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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I hated this when I was an enlisted Soldier. When I was a PL, I did what I could to minimize wasted Soldier time. When I was a Company Commander, I made sure the 1SG and PSGs released the Soldiers before the 1SG meetings. Now, I just have a shop and still have to herd my Soldiers and NCOs out the door sometime around 1700. All the work will be there tomorrow!
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SSG Thomas Gallegos
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EXACTLY! I lived by this motto as well. It's the Army especially staying late for BS that could wait until next duty day.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I've done so much to make sure Soldiers get maximum time for family and personal time, Sir.
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SSG Fire Control Sergeant
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Hurry up and wait the motto of the Army. I cannot count the amount of times I have released my soldiers just because we were sitting around waiting on notes fromt he PSG. Although the PSG did not like this because he wanted to address the whole platoon once the meetings were over. After many @$$ chewings he finally dropped the subject and just brifed the Section Chiefs of the upcoming tasks. If there was any information that coudl not wait until the next duty day I would call and notify my soldiers.
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SFC AH-64 Attack Helicopter Repairer
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I can't stand waiting at work when there are other productive things that I could be doing. Not to mention, there are soldiers with families and meal card holders. Wasting a Soldier's time is demoralizing. A retention being one of my many additional duties, It's unfortunate to hear a soldier tell me that they don't want to reenlist because it's a waste of time.
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Had a PSG I filled in for while he was on leave. Had to do the PSG meeting with the 1SG and come to find out the liked to BS for a few hours after notes. We would stay in the motor pool u till about 2200 (not working) waiting on notes just for the PSG to come down and say see you tomorrow at 0600 for notes. When I was acting PSG and found that out I always left the meeting when the notes part was over and released the platoon. The PSG was kissed off when he came back. Always told me I was not able to release the platoon until he told me to. But I always did. After about 2-3 times getting yelled at did an open door with the 1SG told him everything and he sided with me. Can not stand sitting around for nothing. BTW we were in Germany.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I have stayed late. I obviously didn't have a life after work or a family to go to and recall rosters did not exist. Part of the reason why we have a recall roster is so we can past down notes. Some notes need to be put out ASAP while some notes can wait until the next morning before PT. If someone asked, "stay late or come in early before PT for notes" which one do you think I would select. The Army is not my entire life, and I'd love to go home at some point unless its mission driven; a real mission.
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SFC AH-64 Attack Helicopter Repairer
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Very well agreed! You're spot on with emphasizing that there is a real mission
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What is the latest that you have ever stayed at work, waiting on notes?
SSG Clarence Blackburn
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That's why you have recall rosters call your squad leaders and let them do there jobs.
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SFC Joseph Weber
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Next week.
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Sarge, I believe my Hooah-meter would redline if "hurry up and wait" Took an entire week!!
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SSG Keith Cashion
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Before I was in a leadership role, Hurry up and wait was the worst motto I ever heard of or had to deal with. Many a late night or Payday activities wasted waiting for someone to tell us much about nothing. When I got into a leadership position, it was unless directed by higher that the mission will get completed before anyone leaves. I would say or do one of two things, and my Soldiers learned real fast what I meant. 1. I would say Go Away. They knew that this meant, shut down, make sure everything was squared away and ready for the next day. Then they would disappear. 2. Walk into the section and when they would look up, I would tap my watch. They knew this to mean the same as number one. I was one, that information needed to get put out, it was put out ASAP. I hated to hear, don't put this out until I give you the green light. Then don't tell me.

As a civilian in a leadership role now...guess what, I still use the same two techniques. Sitting around at the end of the day and there is nothing happening or everything is done and people are spending more time on FB, youtube or online shopping, drives me crazy, and I do not believe in busy work, just to kill a clock. My personnel have learned and understand what these two techniques mean, and have never had to worry about people coming in to ask about going home because there is nothing happening. I clear with higher before, but if the chance arises to do so...trust me, I use it.

Half nickel for of the day.
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SSG John Caples
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Sometimes 18 to 1900
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A good squad leader will release soldiers at a decent time if notes haven't been put out. "Be by your phones" methods and no drinking until your hear your team leaders voice.
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SFC AH-64 Attack Helicopter Repairer
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Agreed battle. Thanks for the input.
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SSG Fire Control Sergeant
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I cannot count the amount of times I have used that line with my soldiers.
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MIdnight, due to the fact that while I was in Korea we had a mandatory recall for anybody who wasn't TDY or on leave. We waited for one soldier, ONE SOLDIER to get their happy butt back from wherever they were, the unit had comms on her, but she was basically taking her time. Was ridiculous! Everybody was so PO'd.
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SSG Jeremy Kohlwes
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Stayed until 2100 one night when was a SPC. As an NCO I caused a lot of waves because I would release my soldiers and then just call or text them the necessary information.
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I told my soldiers that I would text them if any important information needed to be put out and they better reply. Anyone that did not reply would be the one that stayed late the next time everyone got to go home early. Needles to say they always replied.
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