What is the purpose of the "no profanity" policy in WLC?

lol - i didn't know the army was even fighting in a "piss-soaked paper bag."

I don't agree. I was in the infantry 12 years, armor 10 years, and division support command for 4 years. Went from E-1 to CSM. I was a CSM for ten years......profanity was not necessary then (from 1955-1982), and I don't believe it is necessary now. Maybe I'm too old or the soldiers have changed. A leader does not need to resort to being "potty mouthed" I never used it and I taught infantry tactics for six years. As a CSM, my NCOs did not use profanity around me. Profanity shows a lack of leadership skills.

No one said you neeeed it. But at a school like WLC you should not have points deducted for cussing

In real life, I know many senior NCOs and officers who graded off for "potty mouth" tendencies on efficiency ratings. I am aware of NCOs not getting promoted because of their use of profanity.

When I was with the group 297th of the California National Guard Reserves in Marysville, California - they took 2 people - me and another gal and sent us to Hawaii where we meant there with 6 other males to drive truck - supplies and people for support of the infantry.

I was around the infantry daily or with in ear shot and we used the same honey buckets. Occasionally I would hear a smart ass remark and occasionally I would use the honey bucket with all the writings on the wall - but I have never heard much cussing in the 2 weeks I was there.

I understand profanity as if it were a child in my arms, doesn't mean it needs a bath every day - only when it's been out playing in the mud and you don't want to get your uniform dirty from it.

Really, so back in your day it wasn't sissyfied? What makes you think so? When Von Steuben took charge of the soldiers at Valley Forge, you are convinced he used profane language, and insisted it be used by all those responsible for conducting Drill and Ceremonies really? When were you in the Military?

CPT William Ainley - 1969-1971 Captain

What does "cutting 33 Combat Brigades" have to do with the topic being discussed?

This country, and the writing of the "Constitution of The United States" was founded on morals and decency, in par,t taken from a precursor known as the "Frame of Government" initially written by William Penn, the Proprietor of Pennsylvania, a devout Quaker. Upon establishing his colony, each community elected their representatives, to the Pennsylvania Assembly, the first of it's kind in the colonies! At that time the Assembly was made up of Quakers, and Mennonites, and it was from these men of morality that ensured many freedoms for those in Pennsylvania, unheard of in other colonies. Thus when writing the Constitution (primarily by Thomas Jefferson) they looked to the "King James" version of the Bible for guidance. The men that wrote this living document that you refer to, were not given to the utterances of profanity, in public or private. The Amendment regarding "Free Speech" was meant to serve as a deterrent to our government at all levels that may be tempted to suppress ideas and thoughts of citizens in our society making speeches in public places or, by writing etc., not to ensure that low-life was free to walk around using profanity, or stand in front of the public and spew gutter-talk in front of those offended by it. Profanity does not make you a "Bad Ass", just an Ass!

CPT, I agree that they intended a social contract would still exist. It is bad form to be using profanity based upon folkways and mores. However, my former 1SG said it best when he said, "I may not like what you're saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Words carry no weight that the receiver does not assign. It is only the action of a person that affects physical reality. Words may be predictors, yet again they carry zero weight in objective reality. To damage a person because of their words defies the other side of the double edge sword that the gentleman knew would accompany their constitutional submission. They were brilliant men, and knew that this darker side of freedom of speech would also be protected.

You are entitled to your opinion, but there is nothing that I have studied regarding intentions that indicated this "dark side" you refer to. In most Municipalities, profane language is still considered a misdemeanor, if the Police Officer is inclined to enforce it.
I can assure that any subordinate Officer or Non-Commissioned Officer who verbalized profanity in front of me, was politely requested to clean up his vocabulary. Superiors that I reported to offended my sensibilities when relying on vulgar and profane language, thus I immediately lost a measure of respect for them.

Proposed 25 September 1789
Ratified 15 December 1791

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Bill of Rights~587292: CPT William Ainley] - yes Captain, that's the consequence of profane language in the coc. It's distasteful. However, we are on a woeful path when we twist the plain language of the constitution. Even the municipalities are in violation. Someone with deep enough pockets could fight it. The problem we run into is common law and precedents rather than juris civilis. It's a beautiful thing when it works in our favor, yet then again it should never be allowed to be manipulated in such a manner.

I would like to have you in my coc. It would foster an atmosphere of more professionalism which I've preached for to no avail since basic.

Start singing Cadences about how you like to bake cookies, and take long walks on the beach. Before you know it, all the units will be separated by their Sign. Because you don't want any anxiety from a Gemini if you're a Libra......Look out.

Good thing Russia can pick up the slack where our Intestinal Fortitude used to exist

Cpl Robert Masi - Now that brings back memories.. Really pissed me off when we couldn't sing the ornery cadence calls any more, we always got a laugh out of them.. Don't get me wrong, I'm old school Army and can cuss with the best of them, but I was also raised with manners so I watched my mouth around my elders and women. That included those who outranked me.. I never hesitated to correct anyone no matter the rank that used foul language around females and would not tolerate it from females either. They seemed to be almost as bad as the guy's and sometimes worse..
As far as using it in instructor mode.. It was never needed in my case, although while sitting in a class it didn't bother me to hear it unless females were present.
I went through basic at the tail end of Vietnam. The Army was changing and we were not supposed to be beat on and physically abused. Nothing was said about having a DI skull **** you with his hat though, or describe your ancestry in colorful language.. Ahh memories..lol

Well then," there you have it!"

Good comment. I agree with what you say. As the above question reads, cussing in the military academic environment is being prohibited. Sounds ok. But looking at this in a wider perspective, I see what is going on at college campuses across the US. Freedom of speech is being severely curtailed in the academic arena in the name of trying to prevent anyone from being offended or having their feelings hurt at any time. When did it become a right to go thru life and never be offended or have your feelings hurt.? The prohibition on cussing in the WLC may be a harbinger of the same type of PC speech and thought police actions going on at US colleges & universities....or it may just be a good thing to do. I recommend Soldiers look at other aspects of military life and customs and look at conspicuous/inconspicuous efforts to change things for sake of change, or to fulfill somebody's PC doctrine. Look at what is going on in society as a whole and make your opinions known.

You "checked" your "freedom of speech" when you signed your DD Form 4

"There is always a time and place for cussing". When is that? I'm 78 years old, served 26 plus years in the US Army, retired as a CSM, had positions of responsibility in civilian life......and I've never seen, or been, in a place or time when cussing was necessary.

Understandable CSM Troy McGilvray and thanks for your opinion. Once again, in the Field during training, in the barracks in my room with my fellow soldiers. If i'm at a bar watching a UFC Fight or a Football Game and I don't like what has happened and choose to say Shit, Damn-It or drop and F-Bomb. What does it matter if I do this?