Posted on Apr 22, 2016
What is your advice for Females joining the ranks of the combat jobs in the Military?
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I am an Army Recruiter and it would be great to share.
As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?
Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.
Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
As we gear up to ship out some of our first female Future Soldiers in combat jobs, I ask of the members of RP, what is your advice for these young soldiers?
Please keep it constructive and nothing along the lines of they shouldn't be able to serve in these positions because that ship has sailed and opinions about how they should not serve in these positions are not going to change anything.
Edit: The conversation among RP members about mentoring these service members is amazing. Honestly, I did not know what to expect when I started the thread, because this is a subject many feel strong about. Thank you so much for all of your advice thus far, I cannot wait to share it with our female and male recruits and hope you share it in your ranks/communities as well. Together we are molding the future of the military.
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It's absolute crap. Woman are emotional humans and seeing combat is something no woman is mentally prepared for. Although, there are some tougher women out there who could handle some situations, you're still wired to emotions that will still cause much worse PTSD that men.
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SGT Chris Hill
Doesn't matter, I gave my opinion and that is my opinion. It does help because it will allow future females to understand how others feel about it. Thats your job as a leader, my time is over with. Females have no place in combat.
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SGT Chris Hill
TSgt Hunter Logan - Imagine your defensive emotion in combat, this is only rally point. if you were not offended by what I've said, you wouldn't have responded with what you've said. I'm not going to keep going back and forward with you, it already proves that women shouldn't be in combat.
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SGT Chris Hill
and by the way, I've already seen your debates with others. Many agree with me, so I doubt I'm the problem, maybe you should re-evaluate how you think. Men will never agree with women in combat. Start with equal APFT standards first.
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If they become a recruiter, they need to be honest. I was burned by mine and didn't get my bonus.
Being deployed is scary. Some people will show it, others will cover up their emotions. I felt so nervous and on edge until my first mission. The HUMVEE that I was in was shot at with a few rounds hitting it. One was near my head but thank goodness for armor. I was pretty hot for the next few days.
Try and see things in the military as a challenge. Take care of yourself, first and foremost. Unfortunately, people still view women being in the military at all as wrong. Don't be lazy. Qual with your weapon and get extra practice if you can. The enemy doesn't care if you're a linguist, paper pusher, or Medic (like me). They want you hurt, maimed for life or dead.
I know a good number of our female soldiers can kick tail when it comes to being one.
Deployments creep by very slowly. Don't get too relaxed while deployed. Find some way to have fun while deployed. Don't get in trouble. Work your tail off and you might get early promotion like I did. Experience a new culture. Don't trust too easily. Write letters home, a lot. Take pictures and maybe make a journal. Trying to remember all these memories years later, is going to be difficult. Most of all, situational awareness. Talk with other soldiers, especially Veterans. Many are willing to share and help others.
Being deployed is scary. Some people will show it, others will cover up their emotions. I felt so nervous and on edge until my first mission. The HUMVEE that I was in was shot at with a few rounds hitting it. One was near my head but thank goodness for armor. I was pretty hot for the next few days.
Try and see things in the military as a challenge. Take care of yourself, first and foremost. Unfortunately, people still view women being in the military at all as wrong. Don't be lazy. Qual with your weapon and get extra practice if you can. The enemy doesn't care if you're a linguist, paper pusher, or Medic (like me). They want you hurt, maimed for life or dead.
I know a good number of our female soldiers can kick tail when it comes to being one.
Deployments creep by very slowly. Don't get too relaxed while deployed. Find some way to have fun while deployed. Don't get in trouble. Work your tail off and you might get early promotion like I did. Experience a new culture. Don't trust too easily. Write letters home, a lot. Take pictures and maybe make a journal. Trying to remember all these memories years later, is going to be difficult. Most of all, situational awareness. Talk with other soldiers, especially Veterans. Many are willing to share and help others.
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Very good question SSG Bethany Viglietta. I am not combat arms but would like to add my perspective on it since it has not been brought up from what I read from the popular responses. The media will be a big part in these Soldiers lives, especially for the first few waves of females. The success and failure of each one of them will be excessively misquoted and blasted out over social media. Prepare them for the basic questions they could be asked and make sure that the response is genuine and intelligent. News reporters are some of the best interrogators, and remember what Mark Twain said, there are two types of speakers, those who enjoy it and those who lie. I have all the faith that these future combat arms females will meet the physical demands of the military. Females have been doing that for years. I also find it ignorant of people saying they need to have thick skin prior to shipping out. Sounds me to that combat arms has undisciplined Soldiers and might need to attend more mandatory training since they are not getting enough of it due to road marches.
SSG Bethany Viglietta
SSG Jordan Gaudard Thank you for your response. You are right about the media. Prepping them to speak in front of camera will definitely help. We've already had one Future Soldier end up on the news because she is a 12B.
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I am a retired Military Police Master Sergeant. I went through basic at Ft McClellan, AL in 1984. We were co-ed back then. Not quite integrated though. There was on female platoon and three male platoons. When training was done on a company level you could line up with a female. Some were as hard charging as some of the males. And some were as laid back as some of the males. Throughout the Army, there are Soldiers giving 110% and there are Soldiers looking to take the easy route whenever possible. I say pull your own weight in all you do. Help your battle buddy always because that's who'll save your ass and life in combat. And for the record, as you probably already know, women have been in combat since there has been combat. May God bless America!
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I have no advice. If I were you, after they sign the documents, I would give them a wide grin, shake their hand and say "Welcome to the suck! You asked for it, you're going to live it."
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
SFC (Join to see) I may have giggled a bit. But we don't do that do either gender for a few reasons. One major one being they can DEP out anytime they so choose prior to shipping. The other more important reason is we want them to be ready for basic training (most civilians are not ready for the rigors of training on their own.)
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Same PT standards should be applied. You should not serve in a combat unit because once you become pregnant you are no longer a working member of the team for over a year, and nothing keeps you from having another pregnancy as soon as your done with the first
We who have served on active duty have experienced this CONUS and during deployment.
We who have served on active duty have experienced this CONUS and during deployment.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
MAJ Sioux H This wasn't helpful advice. As a female who has served over 9 years active duty with ZERO pregnancies, I find this mildly offensive. Even if I was part of a unit and wanted to have children, this should not keep me from serving. There are plenty of soldiers who get injured and spend quite a bit of time recovering, as they should.
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MAJ Sioux H
Big difference between injury and pregnancy. My point is, in a combat arms unit, Ranger, SF, CAG, AWG, you are on the deployment bubble. You work in small teams dependent on one another to accomplish the mission. I f you become pregnant and you hold one of these vital positions, you cannot train or deploy for 1 year. If you have an injury that takes longer than a year to recover you are generally looking at an MEB or removal from the unit and you are replaced.. No MEB if you are pregnant. You just do not contribute to the readiness of your team you just left hanging, working longer because they have to cover down on your responsibilities, and then we welcome back to the unit a year later, we get a deployment order and the young single Soldier does not have a family care plan and does not deploy. How do you feel about one PT test for all?
Maybe we should just have an "Olympics", No gender, just one Olympics where only the best athletes compete regardless of gender, we could combine the NBA and WNBA while we are at it.
Maybe we should just have an "Olympics", No gender, just one Olympics where only the best athletes compete regardless of gender, we could combine the NBA and WNBA while we are at it.
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It is the same for anyone going into a combat arms MOS. Keep your mouth shut and learn. Don't whine, ask for anything extra and definitely do not pull out any of the drama.
That is exactly what these troops are expecting. I came out of armor prior to becoming a pilot and there have been numerous conversations about how the job is going to be affected by having females on the tank.
I tell them the exact same thing. Shut up and do your job in a professional manner. There are other countries that have women in combat arms jobs. Specifically infantry. The IDF has women who are mechs and trainers, but are not allowed on the tank in combat. I don't know about the Russians.
They are going to be under a microscope for their whole career. They will be held to a higher standard because someone out there is trying to prove that the "experiment" failed. They are just going to have to drive on.
That is exactly what these troops are expecting. I came out of armor prior to becoming a pilot and there have been numerous conversations about how the job is going to be affected by having females on the tank.
I tell them the exact same thing. Shut up and do your job in a professional manner. There are other countries that have women in combat arms jobs. Specifically infantry. The IDF has women who are mechs and trainers, but are not allowed on the tank in combat. I don't know about the Russians.
They are going to be under a microscope for their whole career. They will be held to a higher standard because someone out there is trying to prove that the "experiment" failed. They are just going to have to drive on.
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There are an enormous amount of cultural idiosyncrasies that are particular to the Infantry. I'm sure the other combat MOS's share some of the same. Obviously, they are particular to the MOS due to the nature of the job and the fact that is occupied, or was, solely by men. On the whole, no one was prepared for this, and many did not want this to happen. Yet, here we are. What's done is done, and being soldiers, we must suck it up and drive on.
I would advise any women considering to realize that the pioneers of any endeavor have a tough road ahead. No matter how qualified, fit, smart, or cut out for the job, there will be difficulties. A thick skin and a driving will to be a part of the branch at all costs is the type of mentality that any female thinking about becoming an 11B needs to have now. Not only are they paving the way for themselves, but others who may follow. A soldier needs to put some serious thought into undertaking that endeavor.
In time, this won't all be so shocking, but at the moment, it's a bit painful for some of us old guys.
I would advise any women considering to realize that the pioneers of any endeavor have a tough road ahead. No matter how qualified, fit, smart, or cut out for the job, there will be difficulties. A thick skin and a driving will to be a part of the branch at all costs is the type of mentality that any female thinking about becoming an 11B needs to have now. Not only are they paving the way for themselves, but others who may follow. A soldier needs to put some serious thought into undertaking that endeavor.
In time, this won't all be so shocking, but at the moment, it's a bit painful for some of us old guys.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta - You're welcome. The Army is becoming a much more competitive and smaller profession these days. Any soldier, or prospective soldier, needs to think carefully about jobs they qualify for and pick. These days, I'd be looking at 14, 25, 68 series CMF if I were coming in enlisted. Those offer real job skill after the Army. 11 Bang Bang gets you zip in the real world.
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SSG Bethany Viglietta
CSM (Join to see) - 1SG, coming from the 35 series, I have to agree with you. As much as I loved my job, it doesn't quite translate into nongovernment sectors. There are skills learned in each mos that will transfer no matter where you work, but most will not directly transfer/make one qualified/certified for a job.
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1. PT! PT! PT! PT! This is why:
As a female entering a Combat MOS, they will be expected to be able to keep up with their male counterparts. If they cannot meet the same PT standards as the males, they cannot be relied upon to perform some of the tasks within the job. For example, can a female Infantryman, who is accustomed to the female PT standard, still be relied upon to carry a 200lb man, in full gear, with all of his equipment, ruck, and water, out of a hotzone in a firefight (a task that most men find difficult, myself included), the way their male counterparts would?
2. LEARN THE JOBS WELL:
Again, this is from the perspective of the Infantry world (since that's the world I know, and seems to be the biggest topic of discussion). There are many facets of the Combat MOSs. There are many different components to even the lowest level's job. As an Infantry rifleman, we should know:
-the effective ranges of all of the weapon systems on a fireteam.
-LandNav
-First Aid
-Proper care and maintenance of your weapon system, as well as that of the man next to you
-All of the Battle Drills
-How to make split-second decisions based upon the scenario
And I'm sure there is more to it that is escaping my distracted mind, but even just that, with each skill's individual components is a lot to remember and apply. So learning the job is ESSENTIAL to succeeding in this field.
3. FORGET WHO YOU WERE BEFORE YOU JOINED:
This is paramount. We do not need thugs, hoodlums, brats, skanks, or children in a job field like this. We need professional, competent, efficient, and proficient soldiers. I don't care what gender you are, as this applies to EVERYONE! Are they in the ranks with us? Yes. Should we weed them out? Yes. Is it better for everyone for you to forget about all that nonsense before you join? Absolutely. As someone who will be taking on a team very soon, I can tell you that I WILL NOT tolerate behavior like that in my Joes, and I know a great many others who will not either.
But that's all I can think of for now. I hope this helps!!
As a female entering a Combat MOS, they will be expected to be able to keep up with their male counterparts. If they cannot meet the same PT standards as the males, they cannot be relied upon to perform some of the tasks within the job. For example, can a female Infantryman, who is accustomed to the female PT standard, still be relied upon to carry a 200lb man, in full gear, with all of his equipment, ruck, and water, out of a hotzone in a firefight (a task that most men find difficult, myself included), the way their male counterparts would?
2. LEARN THE JOBS WELL:
Again, this is from the perspective of the Infantry world (since that's the world I know, and seems to be the biggest topic of discussion). There are many facets of the Combat MOSs. There are many different components to even the lowest level's job. As an Infantry rifleman, we should know:
-the effective ranges of all of the weapon systems on a fireteam.
-LandNav
-First Aid
-Proper care and maintenance of your weapon system, as well as that of the man next to you
-All of the Battle Drills
-How to make split-second decisions based upon the scenario
And I'm sure there is more to it that is escaping my distracted mind, but even just that, with each skill's individual components is a lot to remember and apply. So learning the job is ESSENTIAL to succeeding in this field.
3. FORGET WHO YOU WERE BEFORE YOU JOINED:
This is paramount. We do not need thugs, hoodlums, brats, skanks, or children in a job field like this. We need professional, competent, efficient, and proficient soldiers. I don't care what gender you are, as this applies to EVERYONE! Are they in the ranks with us? Yes. Should we weed them out? Yes. Is it better for everyone for you to forget about all that nonsense before you join? Absolutely. As someone who will be taking on a team very soon, I can tell you that I WILL NOT tolerate behavior like that in my Joes, and I know a great many others who will not either.
But that's all I can think of for now. I hope this helps!!
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