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LTC Yinon Weiss
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"Natural born citizen" to me means born as a citizen. Meaning, upon birth, you are a citizen.
It seems fairly straight forward to me.
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Natural Born, Old English term meaning born on the land and was added to the Constitution to keep Brits and Canadians Brits from becoming president and returning the US back to British rule. Only way to change that is by amendment.
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1SG James A. "Bud" Parker
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There is a good bit more to it than that, MAJ Yinon Weiss
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Capt Walter Miller
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Yep. The Framers didn't have a problem with an immigrant getting citizenship and becoming a senator. Mr. President they wanted born in one of the former 13 colonies/states and those states added later.

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It is very straightforward. Sadly, most people are not sufficiently informed on the law or in how to interpret it. That's why we are plagued with attorneys. (On a side note, once upon a time there were more attorneys in Southern California than the entire nation of Japan. I suspect that may still be true)
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When born they were a Citizen.

Now, here is where it gets more complex.

Art 1, Sec 8, Clause 4 - Naturalization Clause (Congressional Power):

"The Congress shall have Power To...establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"

Congress Legislates how that works for anyone NOT born on US Soil (14a):

"All PERSONS BORN or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, ARE CITIZENS of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." (Emphasis Added)

So if you are born on US Soil, you ARE a US Citizen. Period.

However, if you are born OUTSIDE US Soil, it becomes HIGHLY DEBATABLE.

This is where "jus sanguinis" or "Citizenship through Bloodline" comes into play.

Back when the Constitution was written, you inherited your Citizenship from your FATHER (not Mother). A woman from her father or her husband.

Now in modern times, Women have their own Citizenship so a child can inherit it from either parent, and this is codified in US Law:

https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-parents

But in recent years this has become increasingly complex, as is noted in the cases of:

Senator McCain (Born in Panama, BEFORE it became the Panama Canal Zone)
President Obama (Born to US Citizen Mother, Non Citizen Father, On US Soil)
Senator Cruz (Born in Canada [another jus soli nation], to US Citizen Mother [non-resident], Non Citizen Father)
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - You are correct. The Constitution is not a dictionary nor a Thesaurus. It was written in plain English. We have to look elsewhere to comprehend what was common knowledge in the late 1700s.
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SSG Robert Webster
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Actually what Justice Scalia said scares the living day lights out of me. Why, because he said that the Constitution is "Dead, dead, dead". Justice Scalia is "Wrong, wrong, wrong." The Constitution is not a "dead document", no matter the definition that Justice Scalia is currently using; and that is what he is really saying.
A "dead document" (or in the case of Justice Scalia is using - a "dead law") is a document or law that is no longer relevant, used, or has been rescinded, and is no longer in use.
To make this point more clear - the "Articles of Confederation" is a "dead document"; the "Constitution" is a "static/living document".
Though I can not see into Justice Scalia's heart or mind, BUT If the Constitution is "Dead, dead, dead" as Justice Scalia stated, it really means that the Constitution is no longer the 'Law of the Land', and those in power, can do what ever they want (though they do enough of that already) without its strictures.
Which leads us (the American people and citizenry) to the First and Second Amendments and what they really mean as stated by a number of the Founding Fathers of this country.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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SSG Robert Webster Living things change with time. Living things evolve. Dead things are like like a fly in amber.

The Constitution is a fly in amber. It's evolution is trapped in the Amendment Process (written within that Amber itself). It is not a "Living Document." The meaning of its words do not change. The words person, people, militia, and treason are trapped in the ink of 1800~. They hold the context of the Founders & Framers. When "Interpreting" the Constitution, we are Reading Dead Men's Minds. It really is that simple.

We cannot ask what the meaning of ANY clause of the Constitution actually is. Not the Spirit at least. We must instead infer it from the Letter. To do that go through other HISTORICAL documents. We must look at the evolution of language. We use language differently now than we did 200+ years ago.

This discussion all started with the phrase "Natural Born Citizen." To us it seems like a very simple term. To the Framers it likely was as well. However there may be HUGE differences between what the Framers and us view as "Natural Born Citizens." To them, Citizenship (jus sang.) could not be passed through Mothers (Nat Act of 1790), for us it doesn't matter.

This is what Justice Scalia is referring to.
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PO3 Dale S. - Check. That was the point or my post. Since Congress controls the rules for Naturalization (Art 1, Sect 8) specifically for anyone NOT born in the US, they have the ability to EXCLUDE candidates. The 14a says anyone born here is a Natural Born Citizen, and hence meets 1 of the 3 requirements for Presidency.

This is is mostly academic, however recent years have shown it can have "complications" like with Sen Cruz or Sen McCain, or even Mitt Romney's father (born in Mexico iirc) when he ran for President. We know they are Citizens, but are they "Natural Born Citizens?"
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SFC David McMahon
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"Natural born" refers to someone born that does not "have to go through the naturalization process" as defined by the Supreme Court. There is a very good article from the Harvard Law Review specifically about this.
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What is your concept of the US Constitution's requirement that the President be a "natural born" citizen?
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Granted at birth. The Naturalization Act of 1790 was pretty clear on that. The Act of 1795 didn't contain that language, yes, but neither did it define it in a contradictory manner.
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1SG James A. "Bud" Parker - Whatever their intent, they did not DEFINE what a natural born citizen was. It could be argued either way without violating the Constitution, but limiting it purely to those born directly on US soil is a bit more difficult of a task than just saying "those who are citizens at the moment of birth."
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SGT Jeremiah B. - HOW THE LAW OF NATIONS DEFINES NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
Many have argued that the U.S. Constitution does not define the term natural born Citizen. Of course, the U.S. Constitution, unlike most legal documents, does not have a definitions section at all. None of the words that appear in the Constitution have a definition attached to them.

This is due to the fact that the U.S. Constitution was not written in legal-ease, but rather in basic simple common English, that any person able to read could easily comprehend, avoiding any need for citizens to rely upon the legal interpretations of men to understand their basic Natural Rights protected by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

As the term was borrowed from Natural Law as defined by Emmerich De Vattel in the Law of Nations, we must refer to Chapter XIX Sections 212-220 of Book I to glean the true meaning of the term natural born Citizen, as it was used and intended by the Founders in 1787.
Contrary to the popular belief of many today who have not yet completed their research on the subject, Vattel did not define natural born Citizen in one sentence, or even one paragraph. Vattel spent nine sections of Chapter XIX defining natural born Citizen, and he makes it very clear that the term is synonymous with the term “True Citizen.”
Close and complete examination of Chapter XIX Sections 212-220 will eliminate all doubts and questions concerning the true definition of natural born Citizen, aka True Citizen. Upon inspection of all related sections, we find that Vattel has a common thread throughout concerning the meaning of natural born Citizen, or True Citizen. The following excerpts represent that common thread in order of appearance… the common thread in bold for ease of identification purposes.

1. “As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.” – Section 212

2. “The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.” – Section 212

3. “I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” – Section 212

4. “These are a kind of citizens of an inferior order, and are united to the society without participating in all its advantages. Their children follow the condition of their fathers;” Section 213 pertaining to “inhabitants” or foreigners allowed by the state to settle and stay in the country.

5. “It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed. (59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular,” - Section 215 pertaining to children of citizens born abroad, which refers back to Section 212.

6. “The natural, or original settlement, is that which we acquire by birth, in the place where our father has his;” – Section 218 pertaining to the settlements of naturals…

7. “We have observed above (§ 212), that they have a right to enter into the society of which their fathers were members. But every man is born free; and the son of a citizen, when come to the years of discretion, may examine whether it be convenient for him to join the society for which he was destined by his birth.” – Section 220 again refers back to Section 212, when attaching the natural rights of an individual to the natural birth father as it pertains to the individual right to withdraw from society once of legal age.
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1SG James A. "Bud" Parker - Still not the Constitution. Or an American document. Also still highly reliant on the paternalistic view of citizenship that we abandoned nearly 100 years ago.

Much of the American view is based on John Locke's philosophy as well. You won't see "Two Treatise of Government" get brought into a SCOTUS case as evidence.
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1SG James A. "Bud" Parker
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SGT Jeremiah B. - We can't simply "abandon" a portion of the Constitution. What else within that document shall we simply "dispose" of? US Code can not usurp what is mandated in the Constitution. If it does, it is unconstitutional. Long story short: If your father is not a citizen of the USA on the day of your birth, you may be a "citizen" but not "natural born." Your father. . .
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The person is granted his/her citizenship by birth.
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CPT Pedro Meza - No, it is not about Cruz, I hold the same argument when Obama's birther argument flying around. We are just arguing the specified meaning for Natural born all over again.
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1SG James A. "Bud" Parker
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Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta to a Canadian father. He was born a Canadian Citizen.
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PO3 (Join to see) - Do you suppose two wrongs will make a right? When you raised your right hand and swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, what did that mean to you? We soldiers truly need to COMPREHEND the US Constitution in order to live up to our sacred oath.
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1SG James A. "Bud" Parker - is not about WE the military, is about the people. When there is a disagreement of the specified meaning of the phrase among the people. We as military don't pick side. The congress and the people will decide, not WE the military. We can't protect the people from themselves. When the disagreement become bad and one side stand to try to destroy the country? Yes, we step up and stop them. That is our oath.

Cruz's mother is US citizen. Had you oped out that information?? So does President Obama, had you also conveniently oped out that too?? We can argue about that word among ourselves, but it will mean nothing within the firm-work of the constitution.
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We elected Barrack Obama who was not a natural born citizen because his father was a foreigner. This election cycle we suddenly have three Republicans who are not qualified.

Marco Rubio. Born in Florida to two Cuban parents.
Ted Cruz. Born in Alberta, Canada to a Canadian father. He has a Canadian birth certificate. Both of Ted's parents emigrated to Canada before Ted was born there.
Bobby Jindal. He has dropped out, but his parents were both Indian citizens when he was born.

If you noticed my previous list of Supreme Court finding that say what constitutes a natural born citizen you must wonder what is going on. Add to that the fact that there were eight attempts to pass legislation to change the meaning of NBC by Congress between 2003 - 2008; just before Obama showed ou on the radar.
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I am not a fan of Obama, at all. With that being said, how is he not a natural born citizen if he was born in Hawaii???
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A common misunderstanding of “natural born” citizenship comes from the Fourteenth Amendment, but a strict reading of the fourteenth amendment is quite clear that this only conveys an at birth naturalized citizenship. Those born in the United States at the time of adoption and afterwards were only citizens. Those who wrote the amendment knew exactly what they were doing. Because of the distinctive use of “natural born citizen” and “citizen,” in Article II, Section 1 the simple fact that being born in the United States does not make one a “natural born citizen,” it only makes one “a citizen.”

The Fourteenth amendment states in Section 1,
Section 1 - “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Obviously missing is the conveyance of “natural born” status to these citizens. In fact what is obviously included in the text is the term “naturalized.” This section has several clauses, the first deals with citizenship. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. The second deals with prohibiting the states from passing laws denying the protection of citizenship from any citizen, “natural born” or naturalized. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

The fifth section details something very important, it reads
Section 5 – “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

Article 1, Section 8 enumerated the powers Congress has. The only power Congress has over citizenship is found here. It reads,“To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;” To make the freed slaves citizens, naturalization was the only power the 14th Amendment granted Congress to use. Look it up in the Constitution. Congress had no intention and no authority to making everyone born under the 14th Amendment “a natural born citizen.” This is born out by Congressional records regarding the debate of the Fourteenth Amendment. By the chief architect of Section 1 of this amendment.

“I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen; but, sir, I may be allowed to say further, that I deny that the Congress of the United States ever had the power or color of power to say that any man born within the jurisdiction of the United States, and not owing a foreign allegiance, is not and shall not be a citizen of the United States.” John A. Bingham, (R-Ohio) US Congressman, Architect of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, March 9, 1866 Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866), Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes (1866), Cf. U.S. Const. XIVth Amend.

There is no doubt that anyone born under the 14th Amendment who is not subject is a “naturalized citizen,” or just “a citizen,” as the Amendment states. They are not natural born citizens.
To further understand why this is so, is to look at the first clause carefully.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

The words “born or naturalized” are joined with the conjunction “or,” and logically an or implies either of the two are equal. What they are equal in is being a citizen. Not “a natural born citizen.” This expressly negates the idea that simple birth of a person who is “subject to the jurisdiction” confers the coveted “natural born” status. If the term “citizen” did in fact convey a “natural born” status, then who were naturalized would be considered “natural born.”

Obviously, this is not the case, as it would mean that people like Kissinger, Albright and Schwarzenegger could run for office. Clearly, the Fourteenth Amendment is not conferring “natural born” status on anyone, it only confers simple citizenship and the universal rights given to all citizens, “native born” and naturalized. In fact, several Supreme Court Cases since the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment restrict citizenship claims based on being born geographically within the United States, and bestows the coveted “natural born citizen” title to the children of citizens, while affirming simple citizenship to the children born to aliens.



1. The Slaughterhouse Cases 83 U.S. 36 (1873) The Fourteenth Amendment excludes the children of aliens. “The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.”

2. Minor v. Happersett 88 U.S. 162 (1874) The Fourteenth Amendment draws a distinction between the children of aliens and children of citizens. “The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”

3. Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94 (1884) The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction" requires "direct and immediate allegiance" to the United States, not just physical presence. “This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.”

4. Wong Kim Ark Case, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) Affirms that “natural born citizen,” is the child of an existing citizen. “The right of citizenship never descends in the legal sense, either by the common law or under the common naturalization acts. It is incident to birth in the country, or it is given personally by statute. The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle.”

5. Perkins v. Elg, 307 U. S. 325 (1939) In citing a long series of cases, involving minors removed from their US domicile by their foreign born parents, the Supreme Court distinguishes the difference of “a native born person” of two naturalized citizens can become President. This distinction of citizenship is not made to the others, only that their Jus soli citizenship is intact if at the age of majority they reclaim it.

As you can see from the intent of the Founding Fathers to the Supreme Court decision that “a natural born” is the child of citizens. A natural born citizen is not the child of an alien. In this there is no doubt. While many patriots will argue with clear conviction “natural born” should be narrowly interpreted as to mean both parents must be citizens, giving birth to that child under the jurisdiction of the United States of America, they do accept that Jus sanguinis citizenship can be passed from one parent in accordance to the law of the land at the time of birth. So what was the law of the land at the time for giving a person Jus sanguinis citizenship?

There three ways for a person claim citizenship, what most of us think of first is called Jus soli, “the right of the soil,” which is the physical location your place of birth. The second is what is called Jus sanguinis, “the right of blood,” which you inherit from your parents. The third is a combination of Jus soli and Jus sanguinis, and it is this combination that determines if one is a natural born citizen. Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act).
Common sense tells us that both Jus soli and Jus sanguinis are what the Founding Fathers intended when they penned the phrase “a natural born citizen.” For imagine foreigners owing allegiance to a foreign power, arriving in America, giving birth to a child and immediately returning home to their country with their child. This child is reared for 21 years in a culture that hates America and that wants to see America destroyed. On the child’s 21st birthday this child returns to the United States of America, claiming their citizenship based Jus soli. For fourteen years they live in the United States, supported covertly by these foreign powers, growing in wealth and stature until they reach the age of 35 years. This scenario cumulates with this child of the soil, not having one drop of American blood in their veins, becoming President and destroying this country. Considering that countries are a creation of mankind, and non-existent in nature, natural loyalties are too blood. “To disregard such a deliberate choice of words and their natural meaning would be a departure from the first principle of constitutional interpretation. 'In expounding the Constitution of the United States, every word must have its due force, and appropriate meaning; for it is evident from the whole instrument, that no word was unnecessarily used, or needlessly added. The many discussions which have taken place upon the construction of the constitution, have proved the correctness of this proposition; and shown the high talent, the caution, and the foresight of the illustrious men who framed it. Every word appears to have been weighed with the utmost deliberation, and its force and effect to have been fully understood.” Chief Justice Roger B. Taney

The Constitution directly specified 3 types of citizens, at the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment as those who are “citizens,” those who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and natural born citizens. The architects of the Fourteenth Amendment had two to choose from in granting citizenship under this amendment, they choose just a citizen, and rejected “a natural born citizen.”
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SFC James Barnes Thank you. Well stated and clearly understood.
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I aim to please and educate
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SFC James Barnes, great research, but need to add that even with the 14 Amendment women could not vote until the 19 Amendment was added in 1920; so the pattern is that Mr Cruz needs and amendment to qualify to be POTUS.
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Also the laws and Constitution were written with the ideology of Letter and Spirit of the Law, the founder were concerned with British Canadian influence in President, ironic that their fear has come true.
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It means not a naturalized citizen.
For most, that means born in the United States or it's territories.
For a few (like my little brother), born of a citizen parent.
Where it gets froggy is where you are born in a country where if your born there, you garner citizenship of that country as well. Technically, you are a dual citizen unless you renounce one or the other.
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No military dependent should be ineligible to run for the office of presidency simply because his parents were stationed outside the US. It is such a stretch to interpret Natural born citizen to physical location of Birth. Trump can't have it both ways, calling Cruz an immigrant when his mother was a citizen, then calling Mexicans born in the US non-citizens. His legal arguments are as flawed as his toupee.
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MAJ (Join to see) - That is not what I said, sir. In fact, this is the exact case of my brother. Our mother is a German national (now naturalized, but not at the time) and he was born off-base in Augsburg, Germany. He actually had dual citizenship and had to renounce the German one. He is a native-born citizen, for the purposes of this issue, since our father was a US citizen.
Coincidentally, our dad wasn't born in the US either, His parents were missionaries in Ethiopia when he was born. Ethiopia doesn't convey citizenship by birth, though.
It made for some interesting times when I first applied for a passport. "you don't look Ethiopian", said the clerk.
"Oh really. What do Ethiopians look like?'
Backpedal, backpedal.
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Got it, I think it's ridiculous that people want to define natural born as born in a state.
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My cousin had citizenship in three countries. Born in Spain to his AF Father, and English mother. He renounced his Spanish citizenship when he got his draft notice.
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Natural Born in Old English meant born on the soil. Any new interpretation requires and amendment to the US Constitution and not decisions by the courts. But perhaps and old dictionary.
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HOW THE LAW OF NATIONS DEFINES NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
Many have argued that the U.S. Constitution does not define the term natural born Citizen. Of course, the U.S. Constitution, unlike most legal documents, does not have a definitions section at all. None of the words that appear in the Constitution have a definition attached to them.

This is due to the fact that the U.S. Constitution was not written in legal-ease, but rather in basic simple common English, that any person able to read could easily comprehend, avoiding any need for citizens to rely upon the legal interpretations of men to understand their basic Natural Rights protected by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

As the term was borrowed from Natural Law as defined by Emmerich De Vattel in the Law of Nations, we must refer to Chapter XIX Sections 212-220 of Book I to glean the true meaning of the term natural born Citizen, as it was used and intended by the Founders in 1787.
Contrary to the popular belief of many today who have not yet completed their research on the subject, Vattel did not define natural born Citizen in one sentence, or even one paragraph. Vattel spent nine sections of Chapter XIX defining natural born Citizen, and he makes it very clear that the term is synonymous with the term “True Citizen.”
Close and complete examination of Chapter XIX Sections 212-220 will eliminate all doubts and questions concerning the true definition of natural born Citizen, aka True Citizen. Upon inspection of all related sections, we find that Vattel has a common thread throughout concerning the meaning of natural born Citizen, or True Citizen. The following excerpts represent that common thread in order of appearance… the common thread in bold for ease of identification purposes.

1. “As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.” – Section 212

2. “The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.” – Section 212

3. “I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” – Section 212

4. “These are a kind of citizens of an inferior order, and are united to the society without participating in all its advantages. Their children follow the condition of their fathers;” Section 213 pertaining to “inhabitants” or foreigners allowed by the state to settle and stay in the country.

5. “It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed. (59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular,” - Section 215 pertaining to children of citizens born abroad, which refers back to Section 212.

6. “The natural, or original settlement, is that which we acquire by birth, in the place where our father has his;” – Section 218 pertaining to the settlements of naturals…

7. “We have observed above (§ 212), that they have a right to enter into the society of which their fathers were members. But every man is born free; and the son of a citizen, when come to the years of discretion, may examine whether it be convenient for him to join the society for which he was destined by his birth.” – Section 220 again refers back to Section 212, when attaching the natural rights of an individual to the natural birth father as it pertains to the individual right to withdraw from society once of legal age.
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To me it means "Born on US soil." I believe that was the context in that it was written at the time.

It seems fairly straight forward. But looking as other comments, its obviously not that simple.
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1SG James A. "Bud" Parker - (Is either illiterate or unable to understand previous comments.)
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I will try to talk slower - er- er.
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CAPT (Join to see) - My apologies for not reading you comment in the proper context. Your obnoxious behavior is uncalled for. Have a nice day, sir.
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1SG James A. "Bud" Parker - I hear that a lot. Apology accepted.
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