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Is this necessary in our society, especially after the Michael Brown and Eric Garner deaths? Or are these folks taking it too far?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/02/texas-gun-nuts-police-the-police-with-a-black-panthers-tactic.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/02/texas-gun-nuts-police-the-police-with-a-black-panthers-tactic.html
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Idiots doing idiot things. That picture is fantastic. The draw-stroke on the thigh holster will be messy, his finger gesture is a threat.
Look. Accountability is important, body cameras are a great idea. Filming Police during their duties can be done respectfully and non-confrontation-ally. Carrying a weapon for defense of self and others when done lawfully and non-threateningly are fantastic.
A person habitually following another person while openly armed and filming them? That's a threat. Doesn't matter who the parties are.
Look. Accountability is important, body cameras are a great idea. Filming Police during their duties can be done respectfully and non-confrontation-ally. Carrying a weapon for defense of self and others when done lawfully and non-threateningly are fantastic.
A person habitually following another person while openly armed and filming them? That's a threat. Doesn't matter who the parties are.
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SPC(P) Jay Heenan, I don’t think there are a great percentage of cops that are corrupt, but I do think a great many overstep their authority and that needs to be reigned in.
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SSG Trevor S.
This is not my opinion, but an easily pointed out observation that this argument can be turned against officers also:
"A person habitually following another person while openly armed and filming them? That's a threat. Doesn't matter who the parties are. "
Officers are armed, it can be assumed they have dash cams, and even if they are just traveling a patrol route it can seem as though they are following you. Does this make them a threat?
Before everyone gets going on this I do think officers being able to film gives them legal protection to show they are doing the right thing, conversely a citizen has the right to gather such evidence too. I think an officer being armed for protection is a good thing, I also think it is a good idea for citizens too. I also think mixing the situations to intentionally cause tension is a bad thing. A stand off distance for cop watching should be enforceable IMO.
"A person habitually following another person while openly armed and filming them? That's a threat. Doesn't matter who the parties are. "
Officers are armed, it can be assumed they have dash cams, and even if they are just traveling a patrol route it can seem as though they are following you. Does this make them a threat?
Before everyone gets going on this I do think officers being able to film gives them legal protection to show they are doing the right thing, conversely a citizen has the right to gather such evidence too. I think an officer being armed for protection is a good thing, I also think it is a good idea for citizens too. I also think mixing the situations to intentionally cause tension is a bad thing. A stand off distance for cop watching should be enforceable IMO.
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SSG Trevor S. If a police officer were to follow me for more than a couple turns I would indeed begin to feel threatened. Particularly if her were dismounted, armed and filming me openly.
The more film we have of encounters the better, and an armed society is a polite society, but it's the following and stalking that becomes harassing.
The more film we have of encounters the better, and an armed society is a polite society, but it's the following and stalking that becomes harassing.
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The supreme court has ruled that recording law enforcement officers in the line of duty is not against the law. Be polite and professional and stay out of the line of fire. I understand what they are doing, I just don't agree with their tactics.
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Cop Watching based upon what is in the article.
- Possibly a good idea but terrible execution.
- If civilians watch cops and even video tape without interfering with a policeman's conducting of his job then no problem.
- If civilians interfere with a policeman doing his/her job, initiate incidents for social media effect, and/or carry weapons into an incident that is already potentially dangerous for everyone including the police then how is that a good idea?
- Goes to difference between right and recommended. Just because a person has a right to open carry does not mean that it is recommended that they do so while cop watching.
- There might be better COAs to achieve the effect that this group is trying to create without unneccesarily escalating an incident or increasing the risk and therefore the safety of all.
- Possibly a good idea but terrible execution.
- If civilians watch cops and even video tape without interfering with a policeman's conducting of his job then no problem.
- If civilians interfere with a policeman doing his/her job, initiate incidents for social media effect, and/or carry weapons into an incident that is already potentially dangerous for everyone including the police then how is that a good idea?
- Goes to difference between right and recommended. Just because a person has a right to open carry does not mean that it is recommended that they do so while cop watching.
- There might be better COAs to achieve the effect that this group is trying to create without unneccesarily escalating an incident or increasing the risk and therefore the safety of all.
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