Posted on Jul 15, 2016
What kind of opportunities are there for MSC AMEDD officers in Civil Affairs?
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What kind of opportunities are there for MSC AMEDD officers in Civil Affairs? I know that they exist but I don,t know what they do? Specifically in the reserves.
Civil Affairs
AMEDD Officer Basic Course (AOBC)
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There is a myth out there that it is too hard to transfer out of AMEDD (or JAG) into CA and it is simply not true. I have had 100% success rate in doing this, even getting a nurse into CA (OK, that one surprised me too). There is a procedure for doing so and it involves a release from AMEDD transfer to another branch on our MTOE (AG, LG, MI, SG) and then going to CA CCC (if req'd) and CAQC.
To answer your original question, AMED officers are part of the CA toolbox to apply to any civilian problem set encountered by the military. We have 72Ds at the tactical level all the way up to 70H (medical planners) at Brigade and CACOM levels. Getting 70H is a three week school and well worth while. Anyone is welcome to contact me on EE if they want more info or a position in one of my units. [login to see]
To answer your original question, AMED officers are part of the CA toolbox to apply to any civilian problem set encountered by the military. We have 72Ds at the tactical level all the way up to 70H (medical planners) at Brigade and CACOM levels. Getting 70H is a three week school and well worth while. Anyone is welcome to contact me on EE if they want more info or a position in one of my units. [login to see]
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BG (Join to see)
CPT Michael Barden - You can switch your primary branch to any one that you are qualified for. So, yes, you could get 70H qualified and fill that spot at Brigade, but then you would not be filling a 38A position. I have seen this work for deployments however. When I was a Brigade Commander a few years ago, we had a deployment requirement for a 70H to Kuwait and couldn't fill it so we had to send a 38A instead. I am sure that your commander will consider sending you to 70H school AFTER CAQC.
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BG (Join to see)
CPT Michael Barden - Here is what I propose to you then. Join a CACOM or Brigade and tell them that you want to be a 70H. After you complete that three week course, then you can branch transfer and go CA. Most units are short 70H's so this shouldn't be a problem. If you need help finding a unit, ping me on EE and let me know what area of the country you are in. I will set you up.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I recently did a TPU to TPU transfer from a CSH to 360th CA BDE. Everyone there tells their is a snowballs chance in hell of getting AMEDD to allow a doctor to try to earn a 38A or 38G. Some on here seem to have a different experience. Is there somewhere I should tell my unit to look or can anyone give me guidance.
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BG (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - The Army is unlikely to allow a valuable doctor to take his skills and become a CA officer. However, there are plenty of CA operations that you can perform even without being a CA officer. For example, one of my planners over at USAREUR is actually a vet! Get a hold of me on the Global and I will hook you up with my Command Surgeon and let's see what is out there.
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Tactical CA BNs have two AMEDD positions on their UMR.
A 60C Major and a 64B Major. Their purpose is Preventative Medicine in a general support setting, usually in disaster response and less often in regional stability missions.
Many units choose to carry other medical officers as excess as they do fit in nicely with our mission set, but they are over strength.
There is a way to reclass to 38A if you can secure a release from AMEDD, but it is a rare thing to be successful at this, in my many years of experience.
A 60C Major and a 64B Major. Their purpose is Preventative Medicine in a general support setting, usually in disaster response and less often in regional stability missions.
Many units choose to carry other medical officers as excess as they do fit in nicely with our mission set, but they are over strength.
There is a way to reclass to 38A if you can secure a release from AMEDD, but it is a rare thing to be successful at this, in my many years of experience.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Thank you CSM. I know I'm not talking out of my 4th point of contact. It's nice to have this support directly, it indirectly, from a Sr. NCO.
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LT,
Traditionally, MSC Officers working in CA work on planning and executing MEDRETE missions. However, SOF has redefined many of their missions over the last few years. MSC Officers advise the CA Commander on all operations as appropriate to the mission. They dive in to the METT-TC and look for ways to become a force multiplier to the overall mission.
If you have the opportunity to become a MEDO in a CA BN/BDE, by all means, do it. You will learn a lot about the greater impact of the mission as an MSC officer.
Traditionally, MSC Officers working in CA work on planning and executing MEDRETE missions. However, SOF has redefined many of their missions over the last few years. MSC Officers advise the CA Commander on all operations as appropriate to the mission. They dive in to the METT-TC and look for ways to become a force multiplier to the overall mission.
If you have the opportunity to become a MEDO in a CA BN/BDE, by all means, do it. You will learn a lot about the greater impact of the mission as an MSC officer.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Besides, sir, your abbreviations for the Army Medical Department and Army Captain are incorrect. You are unverified and, therefore, your response is already suspect.
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LTC James McElreath
You can be suspect all you like mister! I have deployed with your precious CA Bn and their show of disrespect was much like your own! Be suspect all you like I am still collecting retirement as a LTC with 38 years service. For your information I am a Hospital Administrator, by AOC 67B67! Rest assured a miss spell does not mean I am not who I say I am, Cpt whom ever you are!! ps my assessment on CA's are spot on!
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MAJ (Join to see)
LTC James McElreath , well, that's nice. Next time, sir, leave your comments to something you know about and not what the barracks lawyers have told you. My comment referring to your statement about my advice (MEDO position) has been confirmed by a SR CA NCO.
I'm not upset by your statements of emotion. Heck, I'm not even upset. I actually pity you. 38 years of experience, retired LTC, and instead of giving advice to grow and develop the force you decide to give misinformation and berate.
Best of luck you you in your retirement, and thank you for your selfless service.
I'm not upset by your statements of emotion. Heck, I'm not even upset. I actually pity you. 38 years of experience, retired LTC, and instead of giving advice to grow and develop the force you decide to give misinformation and berate.
Best of luck you you in your retirement, and thank you for your selfless service.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, I was wondering if you could provide some insight?
I am a 66H, Med Surg RN in ARMEDCOM, ICU RN at VA for civilian job. CPT promotion board was APR 2019, results likely SEP 2019. I put in for CCC, but the request got kicked back as I'm a 1LT, not a CPT (I will attend the summer CCC 2020 course instead).
Looking towards Civil Affairs, now, want Airborne, combat tour, and JTF / NATO mission. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I am a 66H, Med Surg RN in ARMEDCOM, ICU RN at VA for civilian job. CPT promotion board was APR 2019, results likely SEP 2019. I put in for CCC, but the request got kicked back as I'm a 1LT, not a CPT (I will attend the summer CCC 2020 course instead).
Looking towards Civil Affairs, now, want Airborne, combat tour, and JTF / NATO mission. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Sir, are you a 72D/E? If so, the CA opportunity that might interest you the most is the 38G public health functional specialist. As mentioned previously in this thread, if AMEDD grants a release, you'll not be able to go back to your AMEDD AOC.
I've posted a link to the ASPPH article that includes the POC for the new 38G (PH) specialty. http://www.aspph.org/army-reserve-seeking-public-health-professionals-for-civil-affairs-missions/
As a former unit administrator, I had the experience of working with AMEDD officers who took the CAQC for the intent of branch transferring. Some made the branch transfer, others were not released. Consider what experiences / career sustainment/enhancement you're seeking. If you're looking for 72D educational sustainment, then branch transferring might not be the best, but if you're looking for mission experience, 38G may likely be the path you seek.
V/R
SGT P.
I've posted a link to the ASPPH article that includes the POC for the new 38G (PH) specialty. http://www.aspph.org/army-reserve-seeking-public-health-professionals-for-civil-affairs-missions/
As a former unit administrator, I had the experience of working with AMEDD officers who took the CAQC for the intent of branch transferring. Some made the branch transfer, others were not released. Consider what experiences / career sustainment/enhancement you're seeking. If you're looking for 72D educational sustainment, then branch transferring might not be the best, but if you're looking for mission experience, 38G may likely be the path you seek.
V/R
SGT P.
ASPPH | Army Reserve Seeking Public Health Professionals for Civil Affairs Missions
Public health protects and improves the health of individuals, families, communities, and populations, locally and globally.
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There are a few. You do not necessarily need to reclass to be involved as AMEDD officer in CA in the Reserves. However, you would have to find a position at a battalion or higher. You would not be a CA officer and as soon as you promoted you could be set to a completely different command/organization outside of CA. The only sure way to stay involved in CA is to reclass.
The best types of CA personnel are those with valuable and useful skill sets from previous MOS's or civilian skills. A medical background is certainly one that is an asset to the CA mission.
Your best bet is to find the CA unit closest to where you will be living and go from there. But don't let geography stop you, IDT travel is also an option to get to a unit.
Let me know if you have questions.
The best types of CA personnel are those with valuable and useful skill sets from previous MOS's or civilian skills. A medical background is certainly one that is an asset to the CA mission.
Your best bet is to find the CA unit closest to where you will be living and go from there. But don't let geography stop you, IDT travel is also an option to get to a unit.
Let me know if you have questions.
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CPT(P) (Join to see)
CSM, could you take a look at the post below, and provide insight? Thanks.
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/airborne-slots-for-reserves-amedd-civil-affairs
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/airborne-slots-for-reserves-amedd-civil-affairs
Airborne Slots for Reserves / AMEDD, Civil Affairs? | RallyPoint
Completed all requirements / paperwork to attend, but Fort Benning denied AOC waiver stating: Not in paid parachutist position, not on orders to airborne unit. POC there said walking-on was not an option. Is there another way while maintaining 66H (soon to be 66S / critical care RN) AOC, or do I need to gain a new AOC, and transfer to a new branch / unit? I've fulfilled my contract obligation, and there was no bonus for my AOC. Could my branch...
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You will need to reclassify to 38A or you can look at being a 38G if you have the civilian skill set that will qualify for 38G
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MAJ (Join to see) - There have been changes since 2008. Check DA PAM 600-3, Chapter 18 for the CA Branch accessions requirements. For AMEDD and other special branch officers such as JAG, there is a process for transferring. You have to be released by AMEDD and accepted by one of the basic branches that are in the CA unit structure such as AG, MI, SC, or LG. There is a lot of paperwork involved, but it can be done if you understand the process and work the system. The CA branch would be awarded after completion of the RC CA CCC phases 1 thru 4 or in your case after completion of a CCC and the CAQC-M. Email me at [login to see] or dennis.c.edwards.mil if you want more information on the process.
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MAJ (Join to see)
COL (Join to see) - Sir, thank you for the information. I really don't want to branch transfer out of AMEDD. But I would like to have the 38A as a secondary or third AOC. I have completed AMEDD CCC and the CAQC-M. I will check DA Pam 600-3. I am searching to see if I could be awarded one of the CA AOCs. At this time, I am a 70F (Healthcare Human Resource Manager). I am sitting in an O5 position at this time, and I am the only 70F for the unit.
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I think you are out of luck with awarding as a secondary AOC. One of the requirements for award of 38A is to be assigned to a 38A position. The only other CA AOC is 38G. There is a board for award of 38G based on civilian skill expertise in one of about a dozen specialties. Check with the TPU CA CMO (career management officer) and AMEDD CMO to confirm or deny whether it's possible and/or worth your time to try to request awarding of 38A as a secondary branch/AOC. https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/CA%20Officer%20Home
Toll-Free: 1-888-ARMY-HRC (1-888-276-9472) DSN: 983-9500 askhrc.army@us.army.mil
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I am one of the MSC's that went to the CAQC and would not subject anyone to attend the course. The training is great, for sure. The CA Bn I was affiliated with (Bn staff) were despicable people. There is no position you might fill as a MS officer, let alone they could transfer you to their AOC! As a MS officer you can not hold another AOC.
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anything from taking care of your sms, to doing hug me missions, imms, setting up corrective surgical proceedures to the local populace, water, waste, you name it, providing needed medical and profolactic treatment, setting up hospitals, clinics training emt's , the last time i checked 97% of ca assets are reserves, when i went to 38b qual
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