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Last AT, we had this brand new Private joining our Battery. We had this problem with his MOS being phased out. So our 1sgt placed him with diffrent sections. From rader, to the gun line, then to my section. Supply. My battle buddy from rader told me he was a Charlie Foxtrot and explained to me that this private is always on his doggone phone. I found out this to be true when I gave him a lesson on tearing down Mk. 19, M2, M9, and even PMCS the LMTV. Every step I explained, I would look at him to make sure he understand. Instead he is texting this girl just so he can have a one night thing. My enacting supply sergeant even caught him walking with his phone and gave him a talk. What power am I allowed to utilize to fix this situation without escalating this to the next level? I tried calmly talking to him saying "if you want to stay off the shit detail then stay off the phone" but he told me to mind my own business. Am I allowed to tear him to pieces or is that a NCO thing only? How about a consoling statement? Can I make him push or do I need to get down with him like my buddies keep telling me?
Army National Guard
PFC
Annual Training
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Prepare to be part of the E-4 mafia and "Accidently" break his phone.
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If he isn't screwing you over, let him be / throw him under the bus a few times..
It takes a lot to fix a dirt bag, more than you will have time to do during drill...
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If he isn't screwing you over, let him be / throw him under the bus a few times..
It takes a lot to fix a dirt bag, more than you will have time to do during drill...
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Peer pressure works better in a lot of cases. You don't have the authority to make someone "push" but you and your peers can exert a lot of peer pressure on him.
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If you have already told him how wrong he is and you aren't in immediate authority over him then about all you can really do is bring it up to an NCO. If you ARE his immediate superior though, then I would recommend counseling him or assign him an essay or class to do about why it is wrong. Sometimes junior guys just won't listen and you have no choice but to involve the next highest authority.
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I'm not sure what you guys have over there but we keep updated mentorship jackets where we log counseling sessions, essays, or corrective actions for an individual. You may need to go through an NCO to document anything, in that case, be up front with the NCO tell them that you would like to take it upon yourself to handle the situation.
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If he doesn't have respect I do not know if counseling will help, but there should be a paper trail of his behavior or CoC might not take it as seriously.
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SSG Ryan Rodney. I didn't mean respecting his soldier. I mean the soldier doesn't have any respect.
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You definitely need to match & beat him at your rank, coming from an Infantry Standard so much has changed in the rest of the military...No one can drop you anymore if the punishment doesn't fit the crime, technically. If you have enough proof you could dismantle an entire Chain of Command on this basis. Everything is PERCEIVED, if it even blinks wrong in one eye you can get f**led over it. Where I come from even 1 rank up, you stand at Parade Rest, addressing by title etc...New Army, Counsel his ass, 6mos = Patterns of Misconduct, Chapter 13(para. 13-10 A.R. 635-200) General Other Than Honorable. Many other conditions & factors may apply, this is a very broad inquiry...Depending on Unit, yes you would have such Authority, Command Authority when given is irrefutable, regardless of rank. Unless cited in Relief for Cause in relation to which your Command is relevant.
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That is a minefield I'd rather avoid... When I was in, PFCs were no different than the PV1 and PV2. Usually it was up to the NCO to deal with us (you know, the smoke sessions that sometimes involve the entire squad, or platoon). If that didn't work, it went through the chain of command. The best I can do for advice, from one PFC to another, is to pull him to the side and counsel the said PV2, as best as you could. Warn him that if he continues, you would have to take it to your squad or platoon leader to deal with him. Don't let him drag you down and don't worry about the backlash from your actions, you do your best and work for your own promotion. Privates are usually seen and never heard in the army, just do the right thing and you will go far.
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Leave him be for now or until you have the power to change him otherwise. If it is directly effecting your work then i would say to take it to the next level.
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You've done what you can. Actually, as a PFC, you've gone above & beyond, it sounds like. Kick it up to the NCOs and if they are worth their rank they'll work on him. Document his failings and keep a record, if necessary make sure others are ready to back you.
And quite frankly if you aren't in stripes in a couple years, something's wrong.
And quite frankly if you aren't in stripes in a couple years, something's wrong.
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